Merged Two Mosques to be built near Ground Zero

TheDevilCried said:
Thats better thank you :) if they own it then sure they have a right to do what they want as long as it is legal, ain't going to stop folks from trying to block it, personally i can't support it cause it just don't seem like the right thing to do with the land.
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yes, you have the right to ask that the mosque not be built.

but many folks want the GOVERNMENT to step in and stop it from happening.

that is un-American. that is Fascism.
 
Government as in the white house should not be involved, a court or like i had said some sort of vote thing would be more in tune with the word of the people. IMHO
thing is were talking a place of worship that could be located anyplace and still function, why put it there knowing the mess it is going to cause, right out of the box it just smells bad to me like there is some sort of agenda.
 
TheDevilCried said:
Government as in the white house should not be involved, a court or like i had said some sort of vote thing would be more in tune with the word of the people.
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The People...have no business deciding via referendum what folks can do with their legally purchased and owned private property.

such a move, would take us down a very dangerous and slippery slope towards Nazism.

If the FBI or State Police or NYPD has any concerns, they will investigate them. Trust me.

if this mosque raises any money from Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah, Al Qaeda, or Saudi or Pakistani hard-line Mullahs, we will know about it.
 
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" if this mosque raises any money from Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah, Al Qaeda, or Saudi or Pakistani hard-line Mullahs, we will know about it "

You know that stuff is not what i am concerned about, i am thinking more about the folks that lost there lives and the military men / women and family's that have lost so much because of what happened that day, it's just the principle of the whole thing.
 
TheDevilCried said:
You know that stuff is not what i am concerned about, i am thinking more about the folks that lost there lives and the military men / women and family's that have lost so much because of what happened that day, it's just the principle of the whole thing.
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you mean like my friend Allen?

former Marine, proud American.

Muslim.

how about my former Deputy Director?

Vietnam veteran. friendliest guy on Earth. Black convert to Islam.
 
The kicker in all this is that 'street signs' leading from JFK to the mosques will be in arabic no doubt. Of course we'll let them build mosques. We let them guard the airports around DC. I flew to Virginia a couple years ago and it was primarily pakistani looking people working security, accents and all. I found it ******* humorous that they had all the Americans lined up for security checks. I proclaimed my level of amusement to the security guy who screened me and he gave me the express check. I gave up trying to understand political and religious motivation awhile ago. It took a gigantic public uproar to stop Qatar from taking over security at our seaports. Money for 9/11 was shown to have funneled through there.

Here in Hawaii the Buddhists frequently get the short end of the stick when it comes to building locations. That's Chinese, Korean, and Indian.

ETA, Muhammad Ali is muslim. America's greatest sportsman. But a jihad has been declared against us. We are fighting two wars against Muslim nations. Now is not the time.
 
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All the thanks in the world to there service that helped to keep us all free :) but there only a couple of folks and don't represent the majority and thats whats rules, dude i understand what you are saying, it just stinks cause there with so many other places to put them, like i said something is up.
 
Is not saying something is up the same thing as something smells bad? maybe i should just keep repeating the same phrase over and over so i don't get challenged as to my meaning, go twist someone else's words around i am done and have stated my feelings on the subject, you have demonstrated your lack of wanting to discuss the thread with reason and understanding.
 
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Let me add that I have nothing against muslims, christians, buddhists, heathens, or any other person who professes a belief in woo.

But we are talking about woo temples, right? Just want to check.

NYC already prohibits certain establishments in certain areas, namely sex shops in Times Square. What would be wrong with a prohibition on religious sites near ground zero?

Here in Hawaii we have hundreds, if not thousands, of Japanese visiting Pearl Harbor everyday. Every single day. No one accuses them of going there to celebrate their nation's attack on the US. But they don't insist on building a Hongwanji Temple there either. I think building a mosque, especially now, daringly invites the known and established radical elements of Islam to preach their message of hatred there.
 
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manofthesea said:
Let me add that I have nothing against muslims, christians, buddhists, heathens, or any other person who professes a belief in woo.

But we are talking about woo temples, right? Just want to check.

NYC already prohibits certain establishments in certain areas, namely sex shops in Times Square. What would be wrong with a prohibition on religious sites near ground zero?
Here in Hawaii we have hundreds, if not thousands, of Japanese visiting Pearl Harbor everyday. Every single day. No one accuses them of going there to celebrate their nation's attack on the US. But they don't insist on building a Hongwanji Temple there either. I think building a mosque, especially now, daringly invites the known and established radical elements of Islam to preach their message of hatred there.
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NYC's notorious bans are already something I hate. Let's not give them ideas to spread it.

Besides part of the WTC rebuilding plan is to construct an East Orthodox church that was destroyed. Plus I believe there is an already pre-existing church just east of the site. What happens to them?

That's not to mention the already functioning Mosques in the area that nobody seems to give a rat's ass about.
 
manofthesea said:
NYC already prohibits certain establishments in certain areas, namely sex shops in Times Square. What would be wrong with a prohibition on religious sites near ground zero?
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what possible reason could there be to outlaw houses of worship near Ground Zero? what possible logic could justify this?

will we then demolish all churches and synagogues within a 5 block radius of GZ?

disgusting.
 
manofthesea said:
But a jihad has been declared against us. We are fighting two wars against Muslim nations. Now is not the time.
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excuse me.....we are not fighting a war against the people and nation of Afghanistan. we are in support of that nation and helping them defeat the Taliban, who are full of FOREIGN fighters.

As for Iraq, that war is over. And we are now friendly with the existing government.

fighting two wars AGAINST Muslim nations? do some more research and stop listening to Ann Coulter my friend.


....why is that when its convenient, conservatives say we "liberated" Iraq and Afghanistan, but then switch it to "we are fighting against Iraq and Afghanistan" when it fits their short-term ideological agenda?
 
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manofthesea said:
NYC already prohibits certain establishments in certain areas, namely sex shops in Times Square. What would be wrong with a prohibition on religious sites near ground zero?
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In principle, nothing as long as it was applied equally to all religions. (Though I think such a ban would be silly and unnecessary.)

However, that is clearly not the case here. One religion is being singled out for special treatment based on the actions of a handful of fanatics.

Now, I was going to make an analogy about getting bent out of shape about a Baptist church opening half a mile from the Branch Davidian compound site in Waco, TX. Out of curiosity, I decided to look it up on Google Maps and see if there were any churches in the vicinity.

It turns out that not only is there a church, but the site itself is now occupied by a different faction of the Branch Davidian cult.

Weird that nobody had a problem with that.
 
manofthesea said:
The kicker in all this is that 'street signs' leading from JFK to the mosques will be in arabic no doubt. Of course we'll let them build mosques. We let them guard the airports around DC. I flew to Virginia a couple years ago and it was primarily pakistani looking people working security, accents and all. I found it ******* humorous that they had all the Americans lined up for security checks.
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wow...I thought you were being facetious.

There are millions of Muslim citizens of the USA you know. They are as American as you and I.
 
ddt said:
This. And about the "near", I understand that it's about a mile away. Should we apply the same yardstick to the place where Theo van Gogh was murdered and preclude mosques from half of Amsterdam?
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I oppose the building of any new mosques/churches/synagogues/Hindu temples/etc. anywhere, as I think the expansion of any religion is a step in wrong direction.

ddt said:
And Wilders is one of those. And please explain to me, Polaris, as you included also that part of my post in your reply, what a Dutch MP has to do there? When he wants to travel around the world speaking of the, in his view, dangers of Islam, he should have chosen another job. He's elected to represent his voters, and right now, more than ever, that job is in the Netherlands, in coalition talks. If that goes well, around 9/11 he'll have to be in Parliament to discuss the coalition agreement, either as Minister or as MP.
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I hadn't intended on including that part of your post. It was an oversight on my part, but I'll answer anyway. I don't know why Wilders took it upon himself to comment on this issue, and I couldn't care less. I'm no fan of his.
 
How about we let them build the mosques and then just let the righties stand out front shouting obscenities 24/7 and repeatedly vandalize the places? It is actually not in their own best interest to build these places, as it paints a big target on their backs... but they have every right to do so. We also have every right not to increase a law enforcement presence in the area solely for their benefit.
 
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