Merged Two Mosques to be built near Ground Zero

[Manopolus]

Never mind me... I'm just against building ALL religious institutions. At the very least, we should tax them as a business

Didn't realize Glen Beck was so involved in this till the last link... really haven't been following it all that much. As such, I would assume that it is a complete non issue... because he doesn't talk about things that actually matter, as far as I've ever noticed.

 

[DC]

Never mind me... I'm just against building ALL religious institutions. At the very least, we should tax them as a business

Didn't realize Glen Beck was so involved in this till the last link... really haven't been following it all that much. As such, I would assume that it is a complete non issue... because he doesn't talk about things that actually matter, as far as I've ever noticed.

yes indeed, Religions are a business.

 

[Lurker]

hmm... Please point to the place in my post that said they shouldn't be allowed to build the mosques... I wasn't being sarcastic, actually. I merely said that it's a stupid idea on the part of the guys that want to build them.

I bet that there may be a few protesters at first but after a while they disappear and the mosque goes about normal business operations. No problems.

 

[Thunder]

Oh, do we need more evidence of intent? My bad:

From:
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/mosque_madness_at_ground_zero_OQ34EB0MWS0lXuAnQau5uL

the NY Post is a right-wing extremist tabloid rag. Alexander Hamilton would roll in his grave if he could see what his noble creation had become.

 

[Ladewig]

Oh, do we need more evidence of intent? My bad:



From:
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/mosque_madness_at_ground_zerQ34EB0MWS0lXuAnQau5uL

I didn't honestly think that this was a debatable part of it.

You are quoting an opinion piece, not a news story.

 

[marksman]

the NY Post is a right-wing extremist tabloid rag. Alexander Hamilton would roll in his grave if he could see what his noble creation had become.

No, he wouldn't. He founded it specifically to promote the Federalst Party in reaction to the rise in power of Jefferson's Democrat-Republican Party. There's nothing wrong with that -- that's what periodicals were for at the time. The notion of objective journalism didn't even exist yet. That notion really didn't come into play until the mid- to late 1800's, and the rise of modern newspapers like the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Boston Globe, and Washington Post.

Hamilton's "noble creation" was originally a partisan rag for the Federalist Party. Now it's a partisan rag for the Republican Party.

 

[A'isha]

You know that stuff is not what i am concerned about, i am thinking more about the folks that lost there lives and the military men / women and family's that have lost so much because of what happened that day, it's just the principle of the whole thing.

Oh, you mean like these folks?

 

[A'isha]

Oh, and it seems that the "Ground Zero Mosque Imam" is decidedly less "radical" than advertised.

 

[welshdean]

Major Ahearne's headstone is a lovely bit of marble.

 

[Kaylee]

Treating all Muslims like they are radical terrorists is probably one of the best ways to bring new recruits over to various Muslim terrorists groups.

 

[Thunder]

Treating all Muslims like they are radical terrorists is probably one of the best ways to bring new recruits over to various Muslim terrorists groups.

that way we will REALLY be at war with Islam.

this is what Al Qaeda and right-wing extremists in Europe & the USA are praying for.

 

[Kaylee]

that way we will REALLY be at war with Islam.

this is what Al Qaeda and right-wing extremists in Europe & the USA are praying for.

I disagree with most of your posts, but we're on the same page here.

Slightly off topic ...
I just wish history was taught a little bit better in the schools. Its nice to know about names and dates, but that's not enough.

This is nothing new. Extreme prejudice radicalizes people who would otherwise be more than happy to live in peace with their neighbors.

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

 

[RedRatSnake]

Oh, you mean like these folks?

It is still the principal of the thing and now it seems the info could have been wrong anyway.

 

[A'isha]

It is still the principal of the thing and now it seems the info could have been wrong anyway.

What principle? The hijackers killed other Muslims, American Muslims, that terrible day in September, you know. Still other Muslims, serving our country's military in the War on Terror, have been decorated. Some died serving the US and the cause of freedom.

Look at that picture of Cpl. Kareem Rashad Sultan Khan again. He wasn't in the military when 9/11 happened, and so had to maybe fight in a war he may not have agreed with. He was fourteen years old when the WTC was destroyed, and enlisted in 2005 as soon as he was old enough. He was Muslim, but according to his father he saw it as his duty as an American to serve his country in its time of need, and so signed up to fight two years after the Iraq war started. He, along with three other members of his unit, died August 6, 2007, in Baquba, Iraq, after a bomb exploded as they were checking abandoned houses for explosives.

Why is his dedication to and sacrifice for his country, and that of his mother (the woman pressing her head against Cpl. Khan's gravestone in that photo), and every other Muslim currently resting in our nation's military cemeteries along with their grieving families, not good enough for you to consider in your moral calculus over whether it's too offensive to allow a new mosque (and Muslim cultural outreach center) to be built two blocks closer to Ground Zero than a mosque that's been there for 40 years, farther away from Ground Zero than a Christian church, and just a tenth of a mile away from three existing gay bars?

 

[RedRatSnake]

Well i guess i am just old school and not too ready to change and embrace ways that i don't have any care about, for me it is more to do with disliking all forms of cult like religions than it has to do with people.

 

[A'isha]

Well i guess i am just old school and not too ready to change and embrace ways that i don't have any care about, for me it is more to do with disliking all forms of cult like religions than it has to do with people.

It's a little pointless to get up in arms about the construction of the Cordoba House on general anti-religion and skeptical grounds when the proposed site is between a Christian church and another mosque that are already within four blocks of the Ground Zero site.

 

[Thunder]

Well i guess i am just old school and not too ready to change

seems that way

 

[RedRatSnake]

Well as long as it is not going to be built on the WTC site let them have at it.

 

[Thunder]

Well as long as it is not going to be built on the WTC site let them have at it.

as if there is anything that could legally be done to stop it.


any government attempt to prevent this mosque from being built, now that they have the permits, the property, and the ok from the Landmarks Preservation board, would be met by a civil rights lawsuit in a heartbeat.

which...might actually not be such a bad thing. it would teach the haters and bigots a lesson on tolerance & freedom.

 

[RedRatSnake]

it is not going to teach anyone anything never has never will, one great thing about this country is you can speak out and let em know what ya think, you call people haters and bigots but you yourself speak out strongly when someone voices there opinion, is that not the same thing you are doing when a guy like me speaks out against something you are so firmly behind ? you are trying to say it is about hate and in the long run that just fuels a fire that might not have been there to begin with.