Truther figures exposed (no nudity)

Nice list Ref. Don't forget the Giuliani harassers.

Also, just a little criticism:
Steven Jones (Ph.D. in physics, member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints)

Even though I'm agnostic and don't really care, I don't think his affiliation with that church is relevant. We shouldn't judge people on their religious beliefs (unless they are actively denying evolution and pushing an agenda;)).

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Nice list Ref. Don't forget the Giuliani harassers.

Also, just a little criticism:


Even though I'm agnostic and don't really care, I don't think his affiliation with that church is relevant. We shouldn't judge people on their religious beliefs (unless they are actively denying evolution and pushing an agenda;)).

just my two cents (0.0212299 $ Canadian)

Criticism acknowledged and religious beliefs removed :)
 
And also, I don't include the likes of CIT, Killtown, Ace Baker, or wearechange. I wouldn't call them prominent as of now. Their beliefs can be found using google or the search function on this forum.
 
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Well Nico Haupt is at least as prominant as July Wood, since it could be argued the whole No Plane/TV Fakery stems from him.
 
Well Nico Haupt is at least as prominant as July Wood, since it could be argued the whole No Plane/TV Fakery stems from him.

He'll be in the next edition :)

Other suggestions?
 
Didn't we do this?

We did.

Who's Who In The 9/11 Truth Movement?

I turned it into a SkepticWiki article: [swiki]9/11 Conspiracy Theorists[/swiki]

Supplementary material is always good, of course, but let's not reinvent the wheel from scratch.

A perfect example of why I tell truthers that we do not address their issues out of repetitiveness, not ignorance.

I am sure creating these files/lists/etc... is like ideas in hollywood, there are no new ones, just re inventions of the same ones.

TAM:)
 
Didn't we do this?

We did.

Who's Who In The 9/11 Truth Movement?

I turned it into a SkepticWiki article: [swiki]9/11 Conspiracy Theorists[/swiki]

Supplementary material is always good, of course, but let's not reinvent the wheel from scratch.

I disagree. I actually used that partially as a source for names I might have forgotten.

That thread was more like a list of bios and links to their homesites. This is about their stupid and outrageous claims. This is meant to show what nonsense these people believe in.

To me, that's a different thing :) You can of course disagree.

For example, compare "who's who" article on Dylan Avery:

Dylan Avery - the pioneer of the 911 movement. Author of the Loose Change-video. Is currently finishing the third version, called "Loose Change Final Cut". Has his own forum.

and mine:

Dylan Avery (denied admission twice by Purchase College's film school) - Where do we start. Ignores all criticism. Bans all people from his forums who even politely disagree with his theories. Compares his efforts to the likes of Nelson Mandela, Rosa Parks and others. Has said Pentagon is the easiest sell. Says his movie includes errors and dubious claims. Has ridiculed and laughed at the story of passengers and crew surrendering to the threat of boxcutters. Brags about the money being made off the busted Virgin Airlines deal. We could write pages about him alone. Film mates with Jason Bermas and Korey Rowe. His new film is going to be produced by Alex Jones (see Alex Jones).


Alex Jones on "who's who":
Alex Jones, talkshow host and head of Prisonplanet and Inforwars.com and Infowars.net. Has his own Myspace-area.

and mine:
Alex Jones (radio host, fired from KJFK-FM in 1999 because of his views) - The father figure. Source to numerous conspiracy claims. Has implied the FDNY were complicit of murder. Says the 7/7/05 London bombings were orchestrated by British intelligence. Says global warming is a hoax. Says AIDS was orchestrated by the high powers of the world. Says the Oklahoma bombing was orchestrated by the FBI. Says the 1993 WTC bombing was orchestrated by the FBI. Says there is a New World Order, an Illuminati, an evil entity of powerful people that control and dominate the entire world. Says the NWO/Illuminati leave signs and give clues of their work, but are so arrogant they just don't care if someone (Alex Jones) notices. Says there is a plan to get rid of most of the population of the world. Claims all the terrorists are patsies. Has speculated the Virginia Tech shootings being a government black-op, Hurricane Katrina being weather manipulation and the 2004 Tsunami possibly caused by a deliberate under sea detonation. Believes in Chemtrails, JFK assassination being a government operation and US Government foreknowledge and allowance of Pearl Harbor. Producer of Loose Change Final Cut.

His views are expressed here, here and here.


These are more or less completing each other, but I decided to make a separate beliefs -thread.
 
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I think both lists compliment eachother.

And don't forget the Giuliani harassers, both of "yous". :D
 
pat and james have a blog called Conspirazoids which does alot of the same, which you may want to check ref...like i said, not a new idea, just a retake on an old one...and there aint nothin wrong with that, if it keeps us refreshed and informed on this stuff.

TAM:) (List master...lol)
 
Nice list Ref. Don't forget the Giuliani harassers.

Also, just a little criticism:


Even though I'm agnostic and don't really care, I don't think his affiliation with that church is relevant. We shouldn't judge people on their religious beliefs (unless they are actively denying evolution and pushing an agenda;)).

just my two cents (0.0212299 $ Canadian)

I dunno. Doesn't his ability to see evidence of Jesus visiting with the Mayans indicate that he is capable of deluding himself into seeing things which may not be there (i.e thermite) just so long as it fits in with his beliefs?
 
pat and james have a blog called Conspirazoids which does alot of the same, which you may want to check ref...like i said, not a new idea, just a retake on an old one...and there aint nothin wrong with that, if it keeps us refreshed and informed on this stuff.

TAM:) (List master...lol)

Not a new thing, I know. But a compact and different one :) I'd like to think this brings at least something to the table. If not, I had a blast doing it anyway. We know much of this stuff anyway. I just collected it with hopefully the newest links.

On another note, I decided to include the CIT's and wearechangers anyway. These are all linked to each other anyway.
 
Added wearechange, CIT and killtown. They all connected to the existing people so it's a small CT world. Nico Haupt coming once I have more info on him.

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Judy Wood
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Ph.D. in Materials Engineering Science) - Believes Directed-Energy weapons were used in the destruction of the WTC. Ignores the fact that the space beam would require impossible amounts of energy.

The Judy Wood experience here. Her interview is here.

James "Jim" Fetzer (Ph.D. in history and philosophy of science) - Supports Judy Wood and her Space Beam research. Says Judy Wood is the most qualified person to analyze WTC. Believes in no plane at the Pentagon -theory. Has one witness to support this theory. This witness didn't even see the actual event. Ignores all the other witnesses, the DNA evidence, the impact damage, debris found at the scene and all the other evidence supporting the fact that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon. Numerous other dubious claims not mentioned here.

His debate with Mark Roberts is here (part 1), here (part 2) and here (part 3).

Richard Gage (AIA, Architect) - Claims the foreknowledge of the collapses by NYPD and FDNY is proof of controlled demolition. In other words, he claims NYPD and FDNY have knowledge of the controlled demolition, but remain silent. Says controlled demolition is clearly outside the scope of his training and expertise, yet he also says there is a solid and convincing case proving all three buildings were destroyed by controlled demolitions.

His proof of controlled demolition is here. His admission he is no expert in demolitions is here.

David Ray Griffin (Ph.D. in philosophical theology) - Doubts the authenticity of all the on-flight phone calls. Believes in controlled demolition. Believes some of the alleged hijackers are still alive. Says no plane hit the Pentagon, NORAD was ordered to stand down and Flight 93 was shot down. Supports numerous claims not mentioned here. Ignores all the evidence against his theories. Thinks TWA800 was shot down by Al Qaeda. Has admitted one mistake, after it was pointed to him by a fellow truther.

His extensive lecture from his visit to Denmark is here. Griffin is dealt with here. His admission of one mistake and his continuing doubt of the authenticity of the phone calls is here.

Kevin Barrett (master's degree in English literature and French, Ph.D. in African languages and literature with a minor in folklore) - Believes there were no Islamic terrorists involved in 9/11 and that genuine Islamic terrorism doesn't exist. Tried to find one alive hijacker in Morocco, but did no research beforehand. Only when in Morocco, he found out the person he is looking for may not even be in the same country. A simple call to the embassies and airlines from the US could have told him that. Ignores all the evidence.

Kevin Barrett's trip to Morocco is described here. Kevin Barrett's behaviour exposed here.

Webster Tarpley (AB in English and Italian, MA in humanities) - Believes there were no Islamic terrorists involved. Says people from the caves couldn't do that. Accuses Bush and Cheney. To some extent believes in the space beam theories. Ignores all the evidence.

Webster Tarpley's views in his article here.

Steven Jones (Ph.D. in
physics) - Claims thermite/thermate brought the towers down. Got his dust samples from one single source (a truther), and this dust was exposed to all surrounding conditions for a minimum of nine days before collected. Ignores all the natural explanations for his findings. Ignores the fact that thermite cuts downwards. Has experimented with Cold Nuclear Fusion, nowadays known as Muon-catalyzed fusion. Specialized in Metal-catalyzed fusion, Archaeometry, and Solar energy. Believes that Jesus visited America, and has written a paper about it, called "Behold My Hands: Evidence for Christ's Visit in Ancient America".

The experiences of his dust sample source, Janette MacKinlay and the nine day interval are described here. MacKinlay exposed as a hardcore truther here. His latest paper is here.

Dylan Avery (denied admission twice by Purchase College's film school) - Where do we start. Ignores all criticism. Bans all people from his forums who even politely disagree with his theories. Compares his efforts to the likes of Nelson Mandela, Rosa Parks and others. Has said Pentagon is the easiest sell. Says his movie includes errors and dubious claims. Has ridiculed and laughed at the story of passengers and crew surrendering to the threat of boxcutters. Brags about the money being made off the busted Virgin Airlines deal. We could write pages about him alone. Film mates with Jason Bermas and Korey Rowe. His new film is going to be produced by Alex Jones (see Alex Jones).

More Avery blurbs here and here. His debate with Mark Roberts is here (part 1) and here (part 2).

Jason Bermas (graphic designer)- Said the firefighters were paid off. Then later corrected himself by saying a jedi mind trick was pulled on him. Otherwise, see Dylan Avery.

More Bermas blurbs here and here. His debate with Mark Roberts is here (part 1) and here (part 2).

Korey Rowe (former US Army soldier) - Says errors were intentionally put into Loose Change. Otherwise, see Dylan Avery.

Alex Jones (radio host, fired from KJFK-FM in 1999 because of his views) - The father figure. Source to numerous conspiracy claims. Has implied the FDNY were complicit of murder. Says the 7/7/05 London bombings were orchestrated by British intelligence. Says global warming is a hoax. Says AIDS was orchestrated by the high powers of the world. Says the Oklahoma bombing was orchestrated by the FBI. Says the 1993 WTC bombing was orchestrated by the FBI. Says there is a New World Order, an Illuminati, an evil entity of powerful people that control and dominate the entire world. Says the NWO/Illuminati leave signs and give clues of their work, but are so arrogant they just don't care if someone (Alex Jones) notices. Says there is a plan to get rid of most of the population of the world. Claims all the terrorists are patsies. Has speculated the Virginia Tech shootings being a government black-op, Hurricane Katrina being weather manipulation and the 2004 Tsunami possibly caused by a deliberate under sea detonation. Believes in Chemtrails, JFK assassination being a government operation and US Government foreknowledge and allowance of Pearl Harbor.
Claims that Communism was a plot by international banks in the early 1900s to oppress the Russian serfs. Producer of Loose Change Final Cut.

His views are expressed here, here and here.

Paul Joseph Watson (webmaster) & Steve Watson (
BA Degree in Literature and a Masters Degree in International Relations) - Work for and share the thoughts of Alex Jones.

Their views are expressed here, here and here.

Kevin Ryan (former manager of Underwriter's Laboratories water testing division) - Claims UL certified the WTC steel. Says it's impossible for the towers to have collapsed without controlled demolition. Tested water when working for UL, before being fired.

His lecture is here.

Doug Plumb (
bachelors degree in electrical engineering) - Believes in mini-nukes at WTC. Supports Judy Wood. Is a recruiter for Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth.

His e-mails are here.

William Rodriguez (former magician and WTC janitor) - Has changed his story numerous times. Description of the event went from "rumble like moving furniture" to "explosion that knocked you in the air". Claims he knew when the plane hit, eventhough he was in a closed basement. Will not answer any questions regarding his story. Will not debate his critics. Claims he's on a no-fly list, but is going to Europe for the summer and was in Venezuela recently. How does he make those trips? Recently made the statement "I am 9/11".

His claims are analyzed extensively here. His "I am 9/11" and "no-fly list" claims are made here.

Pilots for 9/11 Truth (pilots with various experience) - Claim the Flight 77 flight data recorder found at the Pentagon rubble proves, that Flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon. If the FDR data is correct, Flight 77 did hit the Pentagon. If the FDR data is faked, why did they fake it not to show a hit. Why not fake it to show the plane hit the Pentagon. And this FDR data is what they base their whole theory on.


Their founder Robert Balsamo interviewed here.

We Are Change - A group of activists, led by NY 9/11 Truth member Luke Rudkowski (got involved in the truther community after being beaten by the NYPD). Organize street actions and demonstrations. Specialize in confrontations. Recently confronted Rudy Giuliani and Mr. Rockefeller. Their methods are questionable. They obtain addressess and appear on the doorsteps and public appearances of their chosen targets. Have close ties with Alex Jones and the Loose Change crew. Recently one of their members was arrested when confronting a Rudy Giuliani employee.

Rockefeller confrontation here and Giuliani employee confronted here.

CIT / Lyte Trip & Merc - Citizen Investigation Team. Claim no plane hit the Pentagon and focus on this issue. Ignore the evidence of debris, DNA, impact damage and most of the eyewitnesses. Have a couple of interviews with witnesses done years later, and they claim these interviews prove all their points. Close ties with Pilots for 9/11 Truth. Not much support from the truther community.

Pentacon the movie here.

Killtown - An internet personality stating some of the most outrageous claims. Believes in no planes at all -theory, everything was faked. Claims to have seen 911 written in the impact explosion clouds of the planes at the WTC. Claims the Val McClatchey smoke plume photo is fake. Was mentioned in the end credits of Loose Change 2nd edition and many claims in that film are based on his research. Later abandoned by those very same people.

His blog is here. Website here.
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And finally, a link to Mark Iradian's video 9/11 Deniers Speak.

These are the people and beliefs the debunkers are dealing with. And what they want us to believe.
 
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I found this for the first time, while reading the who's who thread. Is Nico Haupt Killtown?
 
Lists, particularly from my personal preference, are always appreciated. Keep it going, and we can have it as yet another reference to send the twoofers to.

TAM:)
 

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