Truther figures exposed (no nudity)

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Every member of the truth movement believes in some theory that is either not based on facts, or in worst case, is outright insane.

Like R.Mackey said in the AE-thread, it's not even worth debating someone's credentials, if the person believes in mini-nukes at WTC. This post is meant to show, what prominent truth movement figures believe in. This could be useful in showing, how out of this world these people sometimes are.

This is a start. Links could be added to each person to verify the claims. More people could be added. More claims could be added to each person, especially DRG, Dylan and Alex Jones. But this is a preliminary version :)



Judy Wood - Believes Directed-Energy weapons were used in the destruction of the WTC. Ignores the fact that the space beam would require impossible amounts of energy.

James "Jim" Fetzer - Supports Judy Wood and her Space Beam research. Says Judy Wood is the most qualified person to analyze WTC. Believes in no plane at the Pentagon -theory. Has one witness to support this theory. This witness didn't even see the actual event. Ignores all the other witnesses, the DNA evidence, the impact damage, debris found at the scene and all the other evidence supporting the fact that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon. Numerous other dubious claims not mentioned here.

Richard Gage - Claims the foreknowledge of the collapses by NYPD and FDNY is proof of controlled demolition. In other words, he claims NYPD and FDNY have knowledge of the controlled demolition and murder of 3000 citizens, but remain silent. Says controlled demolition is clearly outside the scope of his training and expertise, yet he also says there is a solid and convincing case proving all three buildings were destroyed by controlled demolitions.

David Ray Griffin - Doubts the authenticity of all the on-flight phone calls. Believes in controlled demolition. Believes some of the alleged hijackers are still alive. Says no plane hit the Pentagon. Supports numerous claims not mentioned here. Ignores all the evidence against his theories. Has admitted one mistake, after it was pointed to him by a fellow truther.

Kevin Barrett - Believes there were no Islamic terrorists involved. Tried to find one alive hijacker in Morocco, but did no research beforehand. Only when in Morocco, he found out the person he is looking for may not even be in the same country. A simple call to the embassies and airlines from the US could have told him that. Ignores all the evidence.

Webster Tarpley - Believes there were no Islamic terrorists involved. Says people from the caves couldn't do that. Accuses Bush and Cheney. Ignores all the evidence.

Steven Jones - Claims thermite/thermate brought the towers down. Got his dust samples from one single source (a truther), and this dust was exposed to all surrounding conditions for a minimum of nine days before collected. Ignores all the natural explanations for his findings. Ignores the fact that thermite cuts downwards.

Dylan Avery - Where do we start. Ignores all criticism. Bans all people from his forums who even politely disagree with his theories. Compares his efforts to the likes of Nelson Mandela, Rosa Parks and others. Has said Pentagon is the easiest sell. Says his movie includes errors and dubious claims. Has ridiculed and laughed at the story of passengers and crew surrendering to the threat of boxcutters. Brags about the money being made off the busted Virgin Airlines deal. We could write pages about him alone. Film mates with Jason Bermas and Korey Rowe. His new film is going to be produced by Alex Jones (see Alex Jones).

Jason Bermas - Said the firefighters were paid off. Then later corrected himself by saying a jedi mind trick was pulled on him. Otherwise, see Dylan Avery.

Korey Rowe - Says errors were intentionally put into Loose Change. Otherwise, see Dylan Avery.

Alex Jones - The father figure. Source to numerous conspiracy claims. Has implied the FDNY were complicit of murder. Says London bombings were orchestrated by British intelligence. Says global warming is a hoax. Says AIDS was orchestrated by the high powers of the world. Says the Oklahoma bombing was orchestrated by the FBI. Says the 1993 WTC bombing was orchestrated by the FBI. Says there is a New World Order, an Illuminati, an evil entity of powerful people that control and dominate the entire world. Says the NWO/Illuminati leave signs and give clues of their work, but are so arrogant they just don't care if someone (Alex Jones) notices. Says there is a plan to get rid of most of the population in the world. Claims all the terrorists are patsies. Speculated the Virginia Tech shootings being a government black-op. Producer of Loose Change Final Cut.

Paul Joseph Watson & Steve Watson - Work for and share the thoughts of Alex Jones.

Kevin Ryan - Claims UL certified the WTC steel. Says it's impossible for the towers to have collapsed without controlled demolition. Tested water when working for UL, before being fired.

Doug Plumb - Believes in mini-nukes at WTC. Supports Judy Wood. Is a recruiter for Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth.

William Rodriguez - Has changed his story numerous times. Description of the event went from "rumble like moving furniture" to "explosion that knocked you in the air". Claims he knew when the plane hit, eventhough he was in a closed basement. Will not answer any questions regarding his story. Will not debate his critics. Claims he's on a no-fly list, but is going to Europe for the summer and was in Venezuela recently. How does he make those trips? Recently made the statement "I am 9/11".

Pilots for 9/11 Truth - Claim the Flight 77 flight data recorder found at the Pentagon rubble proves, that Flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon. If the FDR data is correct, Flight 77 did hit the Pentagon. If the FDR data is faked, why did they fake it not to show a hit. Why not fake it to show the plane hit the Pentagon. And this FDR data is what they base their whole theory on.
 
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Nicely done, one thing I would add though :p

Korey Rowe's claim that errors were intentionally put into LC heh.
 
Excellent work Ref.

I've been up to my eyeballs in Dr Griffin's claims lately. I wonder if there's a 9/11 CT claim he doesn't support.

-Gumboot
 
Doug Plumb - Believes in mini-nukes at WTC. Supports Judy Wood. Is a recruiter for Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth.

...Doesn't believe in 'experts' (You know, the people he's trying to recruit), claims to be an Electrical Engineer but could do anything really, without any training, just the application of some good old 'common sense'. Has alot of time on his hands.
 
Thanks Doc, I added that :)

And Gumboot, like you said, Griffin is supporting almost everything. Like Alex Jones. It's difficult to shortly summarize their views. So in here we could only concentrate on the most outrageous ones.
 
Nice list. IMO it would be perfect if we added what, if any, academic credentials they do have...so that others can see how irrelivent the credentials are (in most cases) or how insane those with appropriate credentials are.

TAM:)
 
Tarpley supports space beam theories (at least to some extent) and Kevin Barrett believes that genuine islamic terrorism doesn't exist.
 
Dr Griffin believes virtually all of the concrete in the towers was turned into dust. Other things he believes:

NORAD was stood down.
The USAF shot down UA93.

Oh he also thinks TWA800 was shot down by Al Qaeda.

-Gumboot
 
funny DRG believes TWA800 result of al-qaeda, but no way could they be the perps in 9/11...what a moron.

TAM:)
 
Here are the added credentials and suggestions. The education of Judy Wood or Kevin Ryan, anyone?


Judy Wood - Believes Directed-Energy weapons were used in the destruction of the WTC. Ignores the fact that the space beam would require impossible amounts of energy.

James "Jim" Fetzer (Ph.D. in history and philosophy of science) - Supports Judy Wood and her Space Beam research. Says Judy Wood is the most qualified person to analyze WTC. Believes in no plane at the Pentagon -theory. Has one witness to support this theory. This witness didn't even see the actual event. Ignores all the other witnesses, the DNA evidence, the impact damage, debris found at the scene and all the other evidence supporting the fact that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon. Numerous other dubious claims not mentioned here.

Richard Gage (AIA, Architect) - Claims the foreknowledge of the collapses by NYPD and FDNY is proof of controlled demolition. In other words, he claims NYPD and FDNY have knowledge of the controlled demolition and murder of 3000 citizens, but remain silent. Says controlled demolition is clearly outside the scope of his training and expertise, yet he also says there is a solid and convincing case proving all three buildings were destroyed by controlled demolitions.

David Ray Griffin (Ph.D. in philosophical theology) - Doubts the authenticity of all the on-flight phone calls. Believes in controlled demolition. Believes some of the alleged hijackers are still alive. Says no plane hit the Pentagon, NORAD was ordered to stand down and Flight 93 was shot down. Supports numerous claims not mentioned here. Ignores all the evidence against his theories. Thinks TWA800 was shot down by Al Qaeda. Has admitted one mistake, after it was pointed to him by a fellow truther.

Kevin Barrett (master's degree in English literature and French, Ph.D. in African languages and literature with a minor in folklore) - Believes there were no Islamic terrorists involved in 9/11 and that genuine Islamic terrorism doesn't exist. Tried to find one alive hijacker in Morocco, but did no research beforehand. Only when in Morocco, he found out the person he is looking for may not even be in the same country. A simple call to the embassies and airlines from the US could have told him that. Ignores all the evidence.

Webster Tarpley (AB in English and Italian, MA in humanities) - Believes there were no Islamic terrorists involved. Says people from the caves couldn't do that. Accuses Bush and Cheney. To some extent believes in the space beam theories. Ignores all the evidence.

Steven Jones (Ph.D. in physics, member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) - Claims thermite/thermate brought the towers down. Got his dust samples from one single source (a truther), and this dust was exposed to all surrounding conditions for a minimum of nine days before collected. Ignores all the natural explanations for his findings. Ignores the fact that thermite cuts downwards. Believes that Jesus visited America, and has written a paper about it, called "Behold My Hands: Evidence for Christ's Visit in Ancient America".

Dylan Avery (denied admission twice by Purchase College's film school) - Where do we start. Ignores all criticism. Bans all people from his forums who even politely disagree with his theories. Compares his efforts to the likes of Nelson Mandela, Rosa Parks and others. Has said Pentagon is the easiest sell. Says his movie includes errors and dubious claims. Has ridiculed and laughed at the story of passengers and crew surrendering to the threat of boxcutters. Brags about the money being made off the busted Virgin Airlines deal. We could write pages about him alone. Film mates with Jason Bermas and Korey Rowe. His new film is going to be produced by Alex Jones (see Alex Jones).

Jason Bermas (graphic designer)- Said the firefighters were paid off. Then later corrected himself by saying a jedi mind trick was pulled on him. Otherwise, see Dylan Avery.

Korey Rowe (former US Army soldier) - Says errors were intentionally put into Loose Change. Otherwise, see Dylan Avery.

Alex Jones (radio host, fired from KJFK-FM in 1999 because of his views) - The father figure. Source to numerous conspiracy claims. Has implied the FDNY were complicit of murder. Says London bombings were orchestrated by British intelligence. Says global warming is a hoax. Says AIDS was orchestrated by the high powers of the world. Says the Oklahoma bombing was orchestrated by the FBI. Says the 1993 WTC bombing was orchestrated by the FBI. Says there is a New World Order, an Illuminati, an evil entity of powerful people that control and dominate the entire world. Says the NWO/Illuminati leave signs and give clues of their work, but are so arrogant they just don't care if someone (Alex Jones) notices. Says there is a plan to get rid of most of the population in the world. Claims all the terrorists are patsies. Has speculated the Virginia Tech shootings being a government black-op, Hurricane Katrina being weather manipulation and the 2004 Tsunami possibly caused by a deliberate under sea detonation. Believes in Chemtrails. Producer of Loose Change Final Cut.

Paul Joseph Watson & Steve Watson - Work for and share the thoughts of Alex Jones.

Kevin Ryan (former manager of Underwriter's Laboratories water testing division) - Claims UL certified the WTC steel. Says it's impossible for the towers to have collapsed without controlled demolition. Tested water when working for UL, before being fired.

Doug Plumb - Believes in mini-nukes at WTC. Supports Judy Wood. Is a recruiter for Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth.

William Rodriguez (former magician and WTC janitor) - Has changed his story numerous times. Description of the event went from "rumble like moving furniture" to "explosion that knocked you in the air". Claims he knew when the plane hit, eventhough he was in a closed basement. Will not answer any questions regarding his story. Will not debate his critics. Claims he's on a no-fly list, but is going to Europe for the summer and was in Venezuela recently. How does he make those trips? Recently made the statement "I am 9/11".

Pilots for 9/11 Truth (pilots with various experience) - Claim the Flight 77 flight data recorder found at the Pentagon rubble proves, that Flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon. If the FDR data is correct, Flight 77 did hit the Pentagon. If the FDR data is faked, why did they fake it not to show a hit. Why not fake it to show the plane hit the Pentagon. And this FDR data is what they base their whole theory on.
 
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funny DRG believes TWA800 result of al-qaeda, but no way could they be the perps in 9/11...what a moron.

TAM:)


What's really stupid is that he claims it was carried about by Ramzi Yousef and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, neither of whom were members of Al Qaeda in 1996.

Given that Yousef was captured exactly a month after the Bojinka Plot was uncovered, and 17 months before TWA800 crashed, how anyone could think he had the time or resources to plan such an attack is beyond me.

-Gumboot
 
Eric Hufschmid JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOS!

David Icke Shapeshifting alien lizards!


Are we aloud to include crazy beliefs the don't directly to 9/11? Or would that be too much like shooting fish in a barrell?
 
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Eric Hufschmid JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOS!

David Icke Shapeshifting alien lizards!


Are we aloud to include crazy beliefs the don't directly to 9/11? Or would that be too much like shooting fish in a barrell?

Maybe only the 9/11 truth movement figures, that at least some people believe in :) Of course, if these same figures have outstanding beliefs on other subjects, these beliefs can be included as well.
 
I want more on that :eye-poppi

The last section of his book The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions deals with it.

Basically he contends:

While Yousef was in a NYC jail awaiting trial in early 1995, the cell next to his was occupied by Gregory Scarpa Jr; member of a Colombian crime family.

Scarpa's cell was between Yousef's and other Al Qaeda members (lets ignore the fact that Yousef was never part of Al Qaeda), so Yousef used Scarpa to pass information to his fellows.

Scarpa passed this information on to the authorities in the hope of getting a lighter sentence.

Supposedly Scarpa learned that Yousef was planning to have Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and other Al Qaeda members (never mind KSM was not a member of Al Qaeda until 1999 at the earliest) use one of the Bojinka bombs (which mysterious hadn't been recovered by Philippine authorities when they broke up the plot, I suppose) to blow up TWA800 to cause a mistrial (apparently the similarities of the attacks would prejudice the jury).

Apparently Scarpa provided ample evidence that Yousef carried out the plot, which supported FBI forensic evidence from TWA800 (never mind that the FBI concluded there was no bomb, thus the evidence Dr Griffin cites didn't exist).

But the FBI did not use Scarpa's evidence.

And here's where it gets really funky. This stuff would make Tom Clancy's head spin.

Firstly:

Scarpa Jr was going to testify in a police corruption case involving his father. Scarpa Sr apparently was an FBI informant and "killing machine".
Scarpa Sr had informed for FBI agent Lindley DeVecchio, and they had formed a very corrupt relationship.

Scarpa Jr was going to be the primary witness against DeVecchio.

The revelation of the Scarpa-DeVecchio relationship would severly harm the FBI and also damage a number of high profile cases.

To protect DeVecchio, the credibility of Scarpa Jr had to be destroyed.

If his credibility was undermined, he couldn't testify against Yousef either. If Yousef wasn't to be blamed for TWA800, the entire idea that the aircraft was destroyed by terrorism had to also be discredited (apparantly :boggled: ).

Thus the Director of the FBI ordered investigators to declare that it was not a criminal act, but an accident.

Which of course they dutifully did.

That may just be my favourite CT of all time.

-Gumboot
 
Didn't Steven Jones do some reincarnation/ghost studies concerning the Indians (Native Americans politically correct?) back in the 1980'es?
 
Didn't Steven Jones do some reincarnation/ghost studies concerning the Indians (Native Americans politically correct?) back in the 1980'es?


Better than that, he wrote a paper that tried to prove the mormon believe that Jesus came to south America.

He also made his name in cold fusion fiasco.


David Ray Griffin used to write in support of parapsychology.

I'll dig out links for these later.
 
Lyte will be pissed that you haven't included the mighty Citizens Investigation Team, Ref. Is this a deliberate omission or, like me, you just do not know where to begin with their stuff?
 

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