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That is deliberate.
Truther figures exposed (no nudity)
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That is deliberate.
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Alex Jones also believes Hurricane Katrina was guided along it's path by the USG to cause...
He also has a habit of making lots of predictions just in case one comes true so he can say "I told you so! I'm not a loon!", for example...
...he said that in 2005, we are still waiting Alex!
http://www.infowars.com/articles/science/weather_mod_katrina_tsunami_called_katrina.htm
Alex "Tin Foil" Jones said:
He also has a habit of making lots of predictions just in case one comes true so he can say "I told you so! I'm not a loon!", for example...
Alex "Tin Foil" Jones said:
...he said that in 2005, we are still waiting Alex!
http://www.infowars.com/articles/science/weather_mod_katrina_tsunami_called_katrina.htm
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The paper is called "Behold My Hands: Evidence for Christ's Visit in Ancient America".
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You might also want to consider Paul Thompson, author of The Terror Timeline (AKA The Complete 9/11 Timeline).
I'm not sure Thompson even knows himself what he believes. His timeline reads like a CT supermarket. His insinuations and "interpretations" support virtually every variation of 9/11 CTs you could possibly imagine.
He believes the mainstream media have failed to document the attacks accurately, yet his timeline is produced exclusively from mainstream media reports.
-Gumboot
I'm not sure Thompson even knows himself what he believes. His timeline reads like a CT supermarket. His insinuations and "interpretations" support virtually every variation of 9/11 CTs you could possibly imagine.
He believes the mainstream media have failed to document the attacks accurately, yet his timeline is produced exclusively from mainstream media reports.
-Gumboot
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Alex Jones also believes Hurricane Katrina was guided along it's path by the USG to cause...
He also has a habit of making lots of predictions just in case one comes true so he can say "I told you so! I'm not a loon!", for example...
...he said that in 2005, we are still waiting Alex!
http://www.infowars.com/articles/science/weather_mod_katrina_tsunami_called_katrina.htm
I added Katrina, tsunami and chemtrails to Alex Jones. He is really something..
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Wonder how the peer review worked on that one:
"Sorry, Jesus, this doesn't meet our editorial and research standards"
"DAAAAAD!"
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I think ref is posting prominent truthers who are TAKEN SERIOUSLY by members of the truth movement...does that make it clearer? lol
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Probably not a good line of attack. As far as I'm aware Steven Jones's work on catalysed fusion has been entirely respectable, and he wasn't involved in the Fleischmann-Pons debacle.
Dave
Reminds me of the old joke:
"He found Jesus when he went to prison."
"That's not Jesus, that's his cell mate, it's pronounced Hay-zoos."
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Great list. What I wouldn't give to hand this to Rosie O'Donnell (or any other celebrity thinking about adopting the 9/11 CT movement) and say "Behold your heroes. These are the people you've crawled into bed with. Not a Harvard physicist in the bunch. Just a small crew of sad, deluded lunatics and opportunists. Maybe you wanna rethink this whole 9/11 flirtation thing?"
If only...
If only...
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Yes, it was America on 10 Drachmas a Day.
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Actually, wasn't it 30 pieces of silver rather than 10 drachmas?
If there's a hell, I think I just stamped my ticket there.
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Well, then, at least I'll know someone there!
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You should probably mention A K DewdneyWP, well-known computer scientist and September 11 crackpot. Dewdney conducted a "study" purporting to prove that cell-phone calls from airliners are virtually impossible, by flying around the London, Ontario metro area in a light plane and attempting to place calls. He also wrote an article claiming the calls could have been faked by agents using real-time voice-morphing technology, and that said agents might have flown the flights in question previously and engaged the passengers in conversation in order to learn personal details that would convince relatives that the calls were genuine. He also insinuates that the relatives ignored inconsistencies in the calls due to wishful thinking. 
Dewdney has also developed an "inside-job" scenario, "Operation Pearl," that claims only about 36 people would have been required to stage the attacks.
Finally, Dewdney and one of his cohorts claim here that the Pentagon damage does not fit an airliner crash, and he has attacked the Purdue University computer simulation on frankly silly grounds (such as not modeling the tail structure), under color of his expertise in computer science. [disclaimer]I have a BA in American and European history from Purdue, and I'm currently attending a regional campus part-time in mechanical engineering[/disclaimer]
Dewdney has also developed an "inside-job" scenario, "Operation Pearl," that claims only about 36 people would have been required to stage the attacks.
Finally, Dewdney and one of his cohorts claim here that the Pentagon damage does not fit an airliner crash, and he has attacked the Purdue University computer simulation on frankly silly grounds (such as not modeling the tail structure), under color of his expertise in computer science. [disclaimer]I have a BA in American and European history from Purdue, and I'm currently attending a regional campus part-time in mechanical engineering[/disclaimer]
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Latest edition with links. Remember, that this is not meant to be a debunking thread. It is just meant to show the beliefs and attitudes of prominent truth movement figures. The readers can make their own conclusions.
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Judy Wood - Believes Directed-Energy weapons were used in the destruction of the WTC. Ignores the fact that the space beam would require impossible amounts of energy.
The Judy Wood experience here. Her interview is here.
James "Jim" Fetzer (Ph.D. in history and philosophy of science) - Supports Judy Wood and her Space Beam research. Says Judy Wood is the most qualified person to analyze WTC. Believes in no plane at the Pentagon -theory. Has one witness to support this theory. This witness didn't even see the actual event. Ignores all the other witnesses, the DNA evidence, the impact damage, debris found at the scene and all the other evidence supporting the fact that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon. Numerous other dubious claims not mentioned here.
His debate with Mark Roberts is here (part 1), here (part 2) and here (part 3).
Richard Gage (AIA, Architect) - Claims the foreknowledge of the collapses by NYPD and FDNY is proof of controlled demolition. In other words, he claims NYPD and FDNY have knowledge of the controlled demolition, but remain silent. Says controlled demolition is clearly outside the scope of his training and expertise, yet he also says there is a solid and convincing case proving all three buildings were destroyed by controlled demolitions.
His proof of controlled demolition is here. His admission he is no expert in demolitions is here.
David Ray Griffin (Ph.D. in philosophical theology) - Doubts the authenticity of all the on-flight phone calls. Believes in controlled demolition. Believes some of the alleged hijackers are still alive. Says no plane hit the Pentagon, NORAD was ordered to stand down and Flight 93 was shot down. Supports numerous claims not mentioned here. Ignores all the evidence against his theories. Thinks TWA800 was shot down by Al Qaeda. Has admitted one mistake, after it was pointed to him by a fellow truther.
His extensive lecture from his visit to Denmark is here. Griffin is dealt with here. His admission of one mistake and his continuing doubt of the authenticity of the phone calls is here.
Kevin Barrett (master's degree in English literature and French, Ph.D. in African languages and literature with a minor in folklore) - Believes there were no Islamic terrorists involved in 9/11 and that genuine Islamic terrorism doesn't exist. Tried to find one alive hijacker in Morocco, but did no research beforehand. Only when in Morocco, he found out the person he is looking for may not even be in the same country. A simple call to the embassies and airlines from the US could have told him that. Ignores all the evidence.
Kevin Barrett's trip to Morocco is described here. Kevin Barrett's behaviour exposed here.
Webster Tarpley (AB in English and Italian, MA in humanities) - Believes there were no Islamic terrorists involved. Says people from the caves couldn't do that. Accuses Bush and Cheney. To some extent believes in the space beam theories. Ignores all the evidence.
Webster Tarpley's views in his article here.
Steven Jones (Ph.D. in physics) - Claims thermite/thermate brought the towers down. Got his dust samples from one single source (a truther), and this dust was exposed to all surrounding conditions for a minimum of nine days before collected. Ignores all the natural explanations for his findings. Ignores the fact that thermite cuts downwards. Has experimented with Cold Nuclear Fusion, nowadays known as Muon-catalyzed fusion. Specialized in Metal-catalyzed fusion, Archaeometry, and Solar energy. Believes that Jesus visited America, and has written a paper about it, called "Behold My Hands: Evidence for Christ's Visit in Ancient America".
The experiences of his dust sample source, Janette MacKinlay and the nine day interval are described here. MacKinlay exposed as a hardcore truther here. His latest paper is here.
Dylan Avery (denied admission twice by Purchase College's film school) - Where do we start. Ignores all criticism. Bans all people from his forums who even politely disagree with his theories. Compares his efforts to the likes of Nelson Mandela, Rosa Parks and others. Has said Pentagon is the easiest sell. Says his movie includes errors and dubious claims. Has ridiculed and laughed at the story of passengers and crew surrendering to the threat of boxcutters. Brags about the money being made off the busted Virgin Airlines deal. We could write pages about him alone. Film mates with Jason Bermas and Korey Rowe. His new film is going to be produced by Alex Jones (see Alex Jones).
More Avery blurbs here and here. His debate with Mark Roberts is here (part 1) and here (part 2).
Jason Bermas (graphic designer)- Said the firefighters were paid off. Then later corrected himself by saying a jedi mind trick was pulled on him. Otherwise, see Dylan Avery.
More Bermas blurbs here and here. His debate with Mark Roberts is here (part 1) and here (part 2).
Korey Rowe (former US Army soldier) - Says errors were intentionally put into Loose Change. Otherwise, see Dylan Avery.
Alex Jones (radio host, fired from KJFK-FM in 1999 because of his views) - The father figure. Source to numerous conspiracy claims. Has implied the FDNY were complicit of murder. Says the 7/7/05 London bombings were orchestrated by British intelligence. Says global warming is a hoax. Says AIDS was orchestrated by the high powers of the world. Says the Oklahoma bombing was orchestrated by the FBI. Says the 1993 WTC bombing was orchestrated by the FBI. Says there is a New World Order, an Illuminati, an evil entity of powerful people that control and dominate the entire world. Says the NWO/Illuminati leave signs and give clues of their work, but are so arrogant they just don't care if someone (Alex Jones) notices. Says there is a plan to get rid of most of the population of the world. Claims all the terrorists are patsies. Has speculated the Virginia Tech shootings being a government black-op, Hurricane Katrina being weather manipulation and the 2004 Tsunami possibly caused by a deliberate under sea detonation. Believes in Chemtrails, JFK assassination being a government operation and US Government foreknowledge and allowance of Pearl Harbor. Producer of Loose Change Final Cut.
His views are expressed here, here and here.
Paul Joseph Watson & Steve Watson - Work for and share the thoughts of Alex Jones.
Their views are expressed here, here and here.
Kevin Ryan (former manager of Underwriter's Laboratories water testing division) - Claims UL certified the WTC steel. Says it's impossible for the towers to have collapsed without controlled demolition. Tested water when working for UL, before being fired.
His lecture is here.
Doug Plumb - Believes in mini-nukes at WTC. Supports Judy Wood. Is a recruiter for Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth.
His e-mails are here.
William Rodriguez (former magician and WTC janitor) - Has changed his story numerous times. Description of the event went from "rumble like moving furniture" to "explosion that knocked you in the air". Claims he knew when the plane hit, eventhough he was in a closed basement. Will not answer any questions regarding his story. Will not debate his critics. Claims he's on a no-fly list, but is going to Europe for the summer and was in Venezuela recently. How does he make those trips? Recently made the statement "I am 9/11".
His claims are analyzed extensively here. His "I am 9/11" and "no-fly list" claims are made here.
Pilots for 9/11 Truth (pilots with various experience) - Claim the Flight 77 flight data recorder found at the Pentagon rubble proves, that Flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon. If the FDR data is correct, Flight 77 did hit the Pentagon. If the FDR data is faked, why did they fake it not to show a hit. Why not fake it to show the plane hit the Pentagon. And this FDR data is what they base their whole theory on.
Their founder Robert Balsamo interviewed here.
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And finally, a link to Mark Iradian's video 9/11 Deniers Speak.
These are the people and beliefs the debunkers are dealing with. And what they want us to believe.
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Judy Wood - Believes Directed-Energy weapons were used in the destruction of the WTC. Ignores the fact that the space beam would require impossible amounts of energy.
The Judy Wood experience here. Her interview is here.
James "Jim" Fetzer (Ph.D. in history and philosophy of science) - Supports Judy Wood and her Space Beam research. Says Judy Wood is the most qualified person to analyze WTC. Believes in no plane at the Pentagon -theory. Has one witness to support this theory. This witness didn't even see the actual event. Ignores all the other witnesses, the DNA evidence, the impact damage, debris found at the scene and all the other evidence supporting the fact that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon. Numerous other dubious claims not mentioned here.
His debate with Mark Roberts is here (part 1), here (part 2) and here (part 3).
Richard Gage (AIA, Architect) - Claims the foreknowledge of the collapses by NYPD and FDNY is proof of controlled demolition. In other words, he claims NYPD and FDNY have knowledge of the controlled demolition, but remain silent. Says controlled demolition is clearly outside the scope of his training and expertise, yet he also says there is a solid and convincing case proving all three buildings were destroyed by controlled demolitions.
His proof of controlled demolition is here. His admission he is no expert in demolitions is here.
David Ray Griffin (Ph.D. in philosophical theology) - Doubts the authenticity of all the on-flight phone calls. Believes in controlled demolition. Believes some of the alleged hijackers are still alive. Says no plane hit the Pentagon, NORAD was ordered to stand down and Flight 93 was shot down. Supports numerous claims not mentioned here. Ignores all the evidence against his theories. Thinks TWA800 was shot down by Al Qaeda. Has admitted one mistake, after it was pointed to him by a fellow truther.
His extensive lecture from his visit to Denmark is here. Griffin is dealt with here. His admission of one mistake and his continuing doubt of the authenticity of the phone calls is here.
Kevin Barrett (master's degree in English literature and French, Ph.D. in African languages and literature with a minor in folklore) - Believes there were no Islamic terrorists involved in 9/11 and that genuine Islamic terrorism doesn't exist. Tried to find one alive hijacker in Morocco, but did no research beforehand. Only when in Morocco, he found out the person he is looking for may not even be in the same country. A simple call to the embassies and airlines from the US could have told him that. Ignores all the evidence.
Kevin Barrett's trip to Morocco is described here. Kevin Barrett's behaviour exposed here.
Webster Tarpley (AB in English and Italian, MA in humanities) - Believes there were no Islamic terrorists involved. Says people from the caves couldn't do that. Accuses Bush and Cheney. To some extent believes in the space beam theories. Ignores all the evidence.
Webster Tarpley's views in his article here.
Steven Jones (Ph.D. in physics) - Claims thermite/thermate brought the towers down. Got his dust samples from one single source (a truther), and this dust was exposed to all surrounding conditions for a minimum of nine days before collected. Ignores all the natural explanations for his findings. Ignores the fact that thermite cuts downwards. Has experimented with Cold Nuclear Fusion, nowadays known as Muon-catalyzed fusion. Specialized in Metal-catalyzed fusion, Archaeometry, and Solar energy. Believes that Jesus visited America, and has written a paper about it, called "Behold My Hands: Evidence for Christ's Visit in Ancient America".
The experiences of his dust sample source, Janette MacKinlay and the nine day interval are described here. MacKinlay exposed as a hardcore truther here. His latest paper is here.
Dylan Avery (denied admission twice by Purchase College's film school) - Where do we start. Ignores all criticism. Bans all people from his forums who even politely disagree with his theories. Compares his efforts to the likes of Nelson Mandela, Rosa Parks and others. Has said Pentagon is the easiest sell. Says his movie includes errors and dubious claims. Has ridiculed and laughed at the story of passengers and crew surrendering to the threat of boxcutters. Brags about the money being made off the busted Virgin Airlines deal. We could write pages about him alone. Film mates with Jason Bermas and Korey Rowe. His new film is going to be produced by Alex Jones (see Alex Jones).
More Avery blurbs here and here. His debate with Mark Roberts is here (part 1) and here (part 2).
Jason Bermas (graphic designer)- Said the firefighters were paid off. Then later corrected himself by saying a jedi mind trick was pulled on him. Otherwise, see Dylan Avery.
More Bermas blurbs here and here. His debate with Mark Roberts is here (part 1) and here (part 2).
Korey Rowe (former US Army soldier) - Says errors were intentionally put into Loose Change. Otherwise, see Dylan Avery.
Alex Jones (radio host, fired from KJFK-FM in 1999 because of his views) - The father figure. Source to numerous conspiracy claims. Has implied the FDNY were complicit of murder. Says the 7/7/05 London bombings were orchestrated by British intelligence. Says global warming is a hoax. Says AIDS was orchestrated by the high powers of the world. Says the Oklahoma bombing was orchestrated by the FBI. Says the 1993 WTC bombing was orchestrated by the FBI. Says there is a New World Order, an Illuminati, an evil entity of powerful people that control and dominate the entire world. Says the NWO/Illuminati leave signs and give clues of their work, but are so arrogant they just don't care if someone (Alex Jones) notices. Says there is a plan to get rid of most of the population of the world. Claims all the terrorists are patsies. Has speculated the Virginia Tech shootings being a government black-op, Hurricane Katrina being weather manipulation and the 2004 Tsunami possibly caused by a deliberate under sea detonation. Believes in Chemtrails, JFK assassination being a government operation and US Government foreknowledge and allowance of Pearl Harbor. Producer of Loose Change Final Cut.
His views are expressed here, here and here.
Paul Joseph Watson & Steve Watson - Work for and share the thoughts of Alex Jones.
Their views are expressed here, here and here.
Kevin Ryan (former manager of Underwriter's Laboratories water testing division) - Claims UL certified the WTC steel. Says it's impossible for the towers to have collapsed without controlled demolition. Tested water when working for UL, before being fired.
His lecture is here.
Doug Plumb - Believes in mini-nukes at WTC. Supports Judy Wood. Is a recruiter for Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth.
His e-mails are here.
William Rodriguez (former magician and WTC janitor) - Has changed his story numerous times. Description of the event went from "rumble like moving furniture" to "explosion that knocked you in the air". Claims he knew when the plane hit, eventhough he was in a closed basement. Will not answer any questions regarding his story. Will not debate his critics. Claims he's on a no-fly list, but is going to Europe for the summer and was in Venezuela recently. How does he make those trips? Recently made the statement "I am 9/11".
His claims are analyzed extensively here. His "I am 9/11" and "no-fly list" claims are made here.
Pilots for 9/11 Truth (pilots with various experience) - Claim the Flight 77 flight data recorder found at the Pentagon rubble proves, that Flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon. If the FDR data is correct, Flight 77 did hit the Pentagon. If the FDR data is faked, why did they fake it not to show a hit. Why not fake it to show the plane hit the Pentagon. And this FDR data is what they base their whole theory on.
Their founder Robert Balsamo interviewed here.
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And finally, a link to Mark Iradian's video 9/11 Deniers Speak.
These are the people and beliefs the debunkers are dealing with. And what they want us to believe.
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