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Trump's Second Term

Norman Alexander said:
They can vote in the state NOT at their "home" booth.
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I ask again: where does it say that? Exact quote and link, please.

There are a number of reasons why I think your conceit makes no sense, but first I want to establish where you got the idea in the first place.
 
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Reformed Offlian said:
I ask again: where does it say that? Exact quote and link, please.

There are a number of reasons why I think your conceit makes no sense, but first I want to establish where you got the idea in the first place.
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As provided by our venerable Shemp: https://www.sos.nh.gov/elections/absentee-ballots

New Hampshire voters may vote by absentee ballot.​

You can vote absentee in any election if you are unable to vote in person because:
  • You will be out of town on election day; or
  • You have a religious observance that prevents you from voting in person; or
  • You have a physical disability or illness that prevents you from voting in person; or
  • You have an employment commitment or must care for an adult or child during the entire time polls are open; or
  • You are confined in a penal institution for a conviction of a misdemeanor or while awaiting trial; or
  • You are a member of the Attorney General’s Address Confidentiality Program or are protected by a Domestic Violence Protective Order; or
  • The National Weather Service has issued a winter storm, blizzard, or ice storm warning for your town/ ward for election day, and you have concerns about safely traveling in the storm.
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The deadline to request an absentee ballot by mail is 12:00 p.m. the day before the election. The deadline to request in person is 5:00 p.m. the day before the election.

Absentee ballots delivered through the mail or by the voter's delivery agent shall be received by the town, city, or ward clerk no later than 5:00 p.m. on the day of the election.
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Not my conceit. Them's the rules for NH.
 
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Norman Alexander said:
Why can't you attend any polling station, at least in the same state?! What if you are out of town? Or out of state? What if the polling station is overrun by official Nazi obstructionists?
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To answer this question: because different polling stations, even within the same state, are voting on different things.

First: most US states have more than one congressional district. New Hampshire has two. Voters in Nashua aren't voting for the same House seat as voters in Manchester.

ETA: I forgot about state legislature races, which also typically differ by district.

Second: since general elections are general, they can often include local as well as state and national items. There may be a mayoral election going on in a given municipality, or a ballot proposal to change property taxes in Thisorthat County. Obviously, we don't want voters from Thatorthis County showing up there to vote to raise a different county's property taxes, or for somebody else's mayor. That's why even absentee ballots have to end up back with the clerk with whom you are registered; they can't just be dropped off and counted anywhere in the state.
 
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Reformed Offlian said:
This is about absentee ballots; it has nothing to do with voting in-person at a different polling station on election day, which was the topic of your original question. Do you understand that these are very different things?
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Yes. The discussion was how to avoid Nazi overseers at your local polling booth. This is a method.
Reformed Offlian said:
To answer this question: because different polling stations, even within the same state, are voting on different things.

First: most US states have more than one congressional district. New Hampshire has two. Voters in Nashua aren't voting for the same House seat as voters in Manchester.

ETA: I forgot about state legislature races, which also typically differ by district.

Second: since general elections are general, they can often include local as well as state and national items. There may be a mayoral election going on in a given municipality, or a ballot proposal to change property taxes in Thisorthat County. Obviously, we don't want voters from Thatorthis County showing up there to vote to raise a different county's property taxes, or for somebody else's mayor. That's why even absentee ballots have to end up back with the clerk with whom you are registered; they can't just be dropped off and counted anywhere in the state.
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As above. There are likely to be other booths nearby in the same district.

Also, if you look at the method described, voting at another location does not mean you are voting IN that district for whatever is happening there. Instead, you vote is taken to your home district for counting.

So perhaps the easiest way to avoid the ICE agents and such is to register and make your absentee vote all good and correct in the appropriate envelope(s), then deliver that package by hand to voting officials at a booth nearby the one assigned to you. It's legal and your vote(s) count.

Of course, this is just NH. I readily concede things may be vastly different in other states and districts.
 
Norman Alexander said:
Yes. The discussion was how to avoid Nazi overseers at your local polling booth. This is a method.
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You claimed that voters could vote "anywhere in the state on the day", and that New Hampshire's website indicated this. Both statements were, and still are, incorrect.

Also, you can't mail an absentee ballot on the day and expect it to be counted. In NH specifically, absentee ballots must be *received* by your hometown clerk by COB on election day, as noted in the very text you quote. It's not a day-of option; it requires prior planning and execution on the part of the voter.

Norman Alexander said:
As above. There are likely to be other booths nearby in the same district.
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Maybe, maybe not. One certainly cannot vote anywhere in the state on the day.

Norman Alexander said:
Also, if you look at the method described, voting at another location does not mean you are voting IN that district for whatever is happening there. Instead, you vote is taken to your home district for counting.
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Yes, it does, because that is what will be on the ballot you will get if you show up to vote there in person. Yes, if you requested an absentee ballot ahead of time, you will be able to vote for stuff in your home district. And you will then have to mail that ballot back to your home district in time for it to get counted.
Norman Alexander said:
So perhaps the easiest way to avoid the ICE agents and such is to register and make your absentee vote all good and correct in the appropriate envelope(s), then deliver that package by hand to voting officials at a booth nearby the one assigned to you. It's legal and your vote(s) count.
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No, you have to deliver it to the office of the clerk where you are registered, and it has to be received by *that* office by COB on election day. Random poll workers at other stations are not going to do that for you because you dropped it on their desk.

Norman Alexander said:
Of course, this is just NH. I readily concede things may be vastly different in other states and districts.
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It's not even NH.
 
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Reformed Offlian said:
You claimed that voters could vote "anywhere in the state on the day", and that New Hampshire's website indicated this. Both statements were, and still are, incorrect.
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Yes, I was incorrect. I assumed erroneously that only only one election, e.g. presidential, was being held on one day. But you hold all sorts of unrelated votes, including local councils and ballot initiatives and such. We don't do that.
Reformed Offlian said:
Also, you can't mail an absentee ballot on the day and expect it to be counted. In NH specifically, absentee ballots must be *received* by your hometown clerk by COB on election day, as noted in the very text you quote. It's not a day-of option; it requires prior planning and execution on the part of the voter.
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Didn't say mail it in. I said deliver it, i.e. the clerk receives it. And yes, it needs prior planning, as I indicated initially.
Reformed Offlian said:
Maybe, maybe not. One certainly cannot vote anywhere in the state on the day.
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As long as you deliver your vote to the correct place on the day, you don't have to pass the ICE checkpoints before getting your ballot papers.
Reformed Offlian said:
Yes, it does, because that is what will be on the ballot you will get if you show up to vote there in person. Yes, if you requested an absentee ballot ahead of time, you will be able to vote for stuff in your home district. And you will then have to mail that ballot back to your home district in time for it to get counted.
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Yes, as I said. And you don't have to mail it. It just has to get to the clerk by the designated time.
Reformed Offlian said:
No, you have to deliver it to the office of the clerk where you are registered, and it has to be received by *that* office by COB on election day. Random poll workers at other stations are not going to do that for you because you dropped it on their desk.
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Not what I said...although it really should be that easy.
Reformed Offlian said:
It's not even NH.
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OK, then I guess Trump's ICE agents will win - some voters are potentially going to be disenfranchised because they will be scared away from voting. Which is their intention. I was hoping to read the rules and see how this could be overcome. But if people are determined to not help themselves...

Also, just BTW, if you make voting compulsory then ICE agents, or anyone else, preventing any voters attending a booth or in any way denying registered voters the ability to vote will be breaking the law.
 
Norman Alexander said:
Yes, I was incorrect. I assumed erroneously that only only one election, e.g. presidential, was being held on one day. But you hold all sorts of unrelated votes, including local councils and ballot initiatives and such. We don't do that.
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Glad we got that sorted out.

Norman Alexander said:
Didn't say mail it in. I said deliver it, i.e. the clerk receives it.
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Specifically, you said: "deliver that package by hand to voting officials at a booth nearby the one assigned to you". That is not at all the same as "the clerk receives it". I am glad you now understand the difference; you didn't seem to before.

Norman Alexander said:
And yes, it needs prior planning, as I indicated initially.

As long as you deliver your vote to the correct place on the day, you don't have to pass the ICE checkpoints before getting your ballot papers.
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Unless ICE thinks to monitor the relevant government offices. I'm sure they'd never to do that. /s

It's safer just to mail it.

Norman Alexander said:
Yes, as I said. And you don't have to mail it. It just has to get to the clerk by the designated time.

Not what I said...although it really should be that easy.

OK, then I guess Trump's ICE agents will win - some voters are potentially going to be disenfranchised because they will be scared away from voting. Which is their intention. I was hoping to read the rules and see how this could be overcome. But if people are determined to not help themselves...

Also, just BTW, if you make voting compulsory then ICE agents, or anyone else, preventing any voters attending a booth or in any way denying registered voters the ability to vote will be breaking the law.
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Unfortunately, voting rules here aren't generally set up to make voting as easy as possible. And racists who don't want the "wrong" sorts voting have had a hand in shaping that, and continue to do so. I also don't see how making voting compulsory would solve the current problem.
 
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And as well as wanting aircraft carriers to go back to steam catapults,

Thread here thanks @Ranb

He apparently wants to move the island of the Ford Class forwards "for aesthetic reasons"

jimbob

Post in thread 'Trump wants to reduce capability of newest aircraft carrier.'

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Why The Ford Class Carrier's Island Superstructure Is Located So Far Back

Trump reportedly wants the Navy to move the Ford class island for aesthetic reasons, but its current position was a very deliberate decision.
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And he reportedly wants to move the island forward in the Ford class.

For aesthetic reasons. He is a dangerous fool because he doesn't know how much of an idiot he is.
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US President Trump raises a very oversized mallet bearing the label TARIFFS over his head, intending to strike a small beaver wearing a baseball cap bearing a red maple leaf in front of him, inadvertently hitting Uncle Sam, who is standing behind him, on the head.
 
I don't know how other places do it, but in both Connecticut and Vermont, at least, voter registration is done by towns. No other town will have any idea whether you are a registered voter, whether you have voted elsewhere, etc. I would expect this to apply similarly in larger towns with multiple districts. You cannot expect multiple districts to maintain the lists of all the others and to keep a running simultaneous tally with all the others. This is why absentee ballots exist, and why the rules allow them to be obtained so close to voting time.

Each town or district has a checklist of registered voters for that district, and when you go to the polls, you announce yourself, and poll checkers tick your name off the list (Usually a pair - in Connecticut the two party registrars). You vote, and then on exiting the machine, booth, or whatever, you announce yourself again. In Connecticut just to confirm you've voted, in Vermont before depositing the paper ballot or ballots in the correct boxes.

As others have mentioned, here in the States, election day generally covers numerous offices, including those quite local, with the same ballot, or the same voting machine, covering everything from the President down to the town fence warden. So aside from the logistical issue of keeping tabs on who has voted, one would not be voting for the same offices.
 
"Trump miscalculated badly. As a public service corp, BBC operates under royal charter that bars it from out-of-court settlements. It cannot cut a check to sweep away Trump’s claims. BBC is legally bound to fight until a verdict is reached."

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Trump sued the BBC — now Jared and Ivanka may pay for it

Secret Service agents blocked the subpoena at the door, but Trump's suit could still force testimony
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Donald cannot fail. He can only be failed.
He endorsed Cory Mills, who got trounced in his primary last night.

Donald J. Trump
@realDonald Trump

I told Congressman Cory Mills of Florida, a friend of mine, to get out of the Race, but he wouldn't listen.
He thought he could win, so who can blame him?
We now have a great candidate, Ryan Elijah, running in his place! Ryan stands for EVERYTHING MAGA, and is respected by ALL.
He has my Complete and Total Endorsement!
President DONALD J. TRUMP
 
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