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Trump's Second Term

dirtywick said:
i think long term the us takes a big step back from israel. although i think it was a pretty good scheme they had going by basically bribing politicians with our own aid money to advance israeli interests and keep sending more aid money, probably time for that to come to an end
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I despise Bibi, but not sure the US basically totally abandoning Isreal is a good thing. And are you going to keep Pro Israel Americans from making their opinions knonw to politicians and supporting Politicans who support their cause?
And if are of the "From the River To THe SeaP viewpoint, all I can say is you are totally wrong.
 
dudalb said:
I despise Bibi, but not sure the US basically totally abandoning Isreal is a good thing. And are you going to keep Pro Israel Americans from making their opinions knonw to politicians and supporting Politicans who support their cause?
And if are of the "From the River To THe SeaP viewpoint, all I can say is you are totally wrong.
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i'm saying that there's been enough of israel defrauding, wasting, and abusing the aid they've been sent and if you don't think that's been happening you're totally wrong
 
It's amazing how they change their tune once they get primaried.

GOP senator: Trump Iran deal ‘tremendous foreign policy blunder’

Republican Sen. Bill Cassidy (La.) on Wednesday slammed the deal between the Trump administration and Iran, two days before the two sides are set to sign it.

“The details that I’ve seen so far look … awful. This will go down as a tremendous foreign policy blunder,” Cassidy told Nexstar’s Reshad Hudson on Capitol Hill.

President Trump has said the involved parties will not release the text of the agreement until the two sides sign it in Switzerland on Friday. But multiple outlets, including Bloomberg and CNN, have released details of a 14-point memorandum of understanding (MOU) between the U.S. and Iran.

The reported MOU calls for fighting to end on “all fronts,” including with respect to the Israeli campaign against Hezbollah in Lebanon, and the reopening of the Strait of Hormuz within 30 days.

It also says the U.S. and regional partners will finance at least $300 billion for a reconstruction fund for Iran. Trump, though, said Wednesday the U.S. will not contribute to the fund.

Under the reported agreement, the U.S. would also end all sanctions on Iran, including on Iranian oil exports, while Tehran would commit to not producing nuclear weapons. The deal does not bar Iran from enriching uranium, however.

Cassidy said if the deal is carried out, Iran “ends up stronger” and U.S. allies in the region “end up weaker.” The MOU reportedly calls for the two sides to negotiate a final deal within 60 days.
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shemp said:
It's amazing how they change their tune once they get primaried.

GOP senator: Trump Iran deal ‘tremendous foreign policy blunder’
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Unsurprisingly, I'm still not seeing any reason to treat the Iran deal as anything other than one that's much, much worse than the one Trump trashed all those years ago for no actually good reason. Nor one indicates that this is leaving the situation better than before Trump started the war for no actually good reason.
 
the Iran Deal should be hailed as a return to Realpolitik, an acknowledgement of what the world is really like and not what various factions want it to be.
 
EHocking said:
Besides the witticisms above, we don’t know this at all.
This is only a memorandum of understanding which Trump has already declared to not be what his deal is going to be.
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But what we do know is that it's already worse than Obama's deal
 
The Obama deal also was mostly a Memorandum of Understanding - that's how things are done intentionally.
Then a Security Council resolution was added.
But as we have seen, the US doesn't feel beholden to that.
Trump probably feels more bound by a bilateral agreement.
 
jimbob said:
But what we do know is that it's already worse than Obama's deal
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From April
EHocking said:
No, I think he just followed his usual MO with the usual result.

First threaten your opponent with outrageous conditions to a deal, e.g., 110% tariffs.
Second, stall for time when your opponent stands up to your bullying.
Third, capitulate embarrassingly with, if you’re lucky, an agreement to carry on as before ore, more usually, rolling over and giving your opponent more concessions than before your first threats.
Fourth, claim that you won bigly.
Fifth, you cultish followers rave about how great you are (with tears in their eyes, of course).
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Is it worse?
I think ripping off the bandaid and giving up some ego for stability is a worthwhile trade, especially if you consider the cost of keeping the charade going that Israel can or should be the Mini USA in the Middle East, "protecting" everyone from the Commie Sufi Threat.

Israel will be much safer once it looks at itself honestly in the mirror for once, realizes its limitations and actual long-term goals, and give up the idea of a Greater Reich of Israel.
 
The son of Oracle founder Larry Ellison gets approval to merge two giant entertainment corporations into one that he controls.

New York Times said:
June 14: After months of meticulous courtship of the president and his senior aides, Paramount got word on Friday that the Justice Department would not challenge its $111 billion merger with Warner Bros. Discovery, eliminating one of the last major obstacles for the deal to close. Mr. Ellison and his father, the software mogul and Oracle founder Larry Ellison, have sought to cultivate Mr. Trump in recent years. Upon completion, the merger will elevate Mr. Ellison, 43, into a rarefied level of media moguldom. He will be in charge of two Hollywood film studios; a pair of streaming services, including HBO Max; and two major television news platforms, CBS News and CNN. Trump and others in his administration have said they were keen for CNN to be controlled by Ellison.
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Merger Cleared, David Ellison to Join Trump at U.F.C. Bouts [New York Times]
 
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