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Trump's Second Term

Cain said:
And I bet you were OK with Obama (D-Kenya), sending the mullahs $1.7 billion dollars.
What kind of person supports a regime that kills children en masse, develops nuclear weapons, bombs their neighbors, casually violates international law, and uses "holy texts" to continually expand their borders -- all at the expense of the American taxpayer. The meddling must stop: Iran needs to get out of Iran.
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I'm a bit confused, are we talking about the US or Iran (or possibly Israel)?

Obama didn't send any US$ to mullahs. He didn't send any to the Iranian government. I think you need a fact check here.

Iran hasn't developed nuclear weapons, US and Israel have done so. The US hasn't bombed their neighbours recently, but has bombed an awful lot of countries that aren't neighbours, Israel has bombed most of its neighbours, technically Iran isn't bombing anyone at present, and has only bombed Iraq in the past after Iraq attacked Iran. All three countries casually violate international law. All three appear to use 'holy texts', but only Israel and the US seem to want to expand their current borders. Israel and the US are certainly funded with US tax dollars. The US has probably killed the most children, even if you ignore Vietnam, Cambodia etc. Post 9/11 the US has been responsible for 5 million deaths many of which will have been children. Israel rather fewer, but still a fair number in Lebanon, Syria, Palestine in the last few years. So on child killing I'd put US top, followed by Israel then Iran.

DEATH TOLL FROM MODERN AMERICAN WARS

The death toll of over 12 million in America's wars for freedom: wars in Korea, Vietnam and The War on Terror in Iraq, Pakistan and Afghanistan
www.worldfuturefund.org
 
Planigale said:
I'm a bit confused, are we talking about the US or Iran (or possibly Israel)?

Obama didn't send any US$ to mullahs. He didn't send any to the Iranian government. I think you need a fact check here.

Iran hasn't developed nuclear weapons, US and Israel have done so. The US hasn't bombed their neighbours recently, but has bombed an awful lot of countries that aren't neighbours, Israel has bombed most of its neighbours, technically Iran isn't bombing anyone at present, and has only bombed Iraq in the past after Iraq attacked Iran. All three countries casually violate international law. All three appear to use 'holy texts', but only Israel and the US seem to want to expand their current borders. Israel and the US are certainly funded with US tax dollars. The US has probably killed the most children, even if you ignore Vietnam, Cambodia etc. Post 9/11 the US has been responsible for 5 million deaths many of which will have been children. Israel rather fewer, but still a fair number in Lebanon, Syria, Palestine in the last few years. So on child killing I'd put US top, followed by Israel then Iran.

DEATH TOLL FROM MODERN AMERICAN WARS

The death toll of over 12 million in America's wars for freedom: wars in Korea, Vietnam and The War on Terror in Iraq, Pakistan and Afghanistan
www.worldfuturefund.org
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Um, I think it's just Cain being Cain again, he's good at taking satire to the nth level.
 
shemp said:
www.mediaite.com

Matt Schlapp Suggests Iranian Schoolgirls Killed in Airstrike Are Better Off Dead Than ‘In a Burka’

Matt Schlapp, the head of the influential Conservative Union, which runs CPAC, suggested that the Iranian schoolgirls who died in an airstrike are better off dead than alive under the current government.
www.mediaite.com www.mediaite.com
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Misconceptions about Islam and Iran abound.

Iran only requires hijab, covering the hair (mostly) with a scarf or hat, and clothes that are relatively modest skirts, trousers leggings down to ankle, long sleeves and a top that comes below the waist like a tunic or loose shirt. Little different from the dress code for an observant Jew. The Burqa is not worn in Iran, and is a feature of more extreme Sunni cultures such as Saudi (even there it is not compulsory),
 
Ziggurat said:
Indeed, let's fact check that.
"The Obama administration secretly arranged a plane delivery of $400 million in cash on the same day Iran released four American prisoners and formally implemented the nuclear deal, US officials confirmed Wednesday."

Oops.
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Except that it was Iranian money, not US tax payers money, and not US$ from your reference if you had read it.

Swiss francs, euros and other currenciesas the first installment of a $1.7 billion settlement resolving claims at an international tribunal at The Hague over a failed arms deal under the time of the Shah.
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Not sure if there is a better thread, but If I was China, I would be thinking that now would be a good time to make a move on Taiwan, with the US tied up with the middle East and running low on missiles, and busy alienating allies. Trump's great foreign policy success might be ending the Chinese civil war and bringing about the reunification of China.
 
Ziggurat said:
Indeed, let's fact check that.
"The Obama administration secretly arranged a plane delivery of $400 million in cash on the same day Iran released four American prisoners and formally implemented the nuclear deal, US officials confirmed Wednesday."

Oops.
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Speaking of fact checks, going to own up to the posts calling your ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ out or just going to keep ignoring it? I know it's kind of the Trump supporter MO to just move on after getting busted trying to defend another lie, but it would be nice to see you hold yourself to the same standard as you hold others.

You won't, we all know that here, which is why your posts are just a joke now, but it would be nice.
 
plague311 said:
Speaking of fact checks, going to own up to the posts calling your ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ out or just going to keep ignoring it?
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I'm not tracking every post in this thread, you'll have to get more specific.
 
Ziggurat said:
I'm not tracking every post in this thread, you'll have to get more specific.
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Mojo said:
Are you claiming that if you hadn't attacked during this crucial two-week window, Iran would have crossed some sort of rubicon that would have led to them inevitably having nuclear weapons at some indeterminate point in the future?

Or are you claiming that attacking in this two-week window will prevent Iran from ever having nuclear weapons?
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Donal said:
Because the full quote is a rambling mash of word salad from a sundowning pedo. We don't need every slurred syllable to get the point.

Ah yes, more Trumpsplaining. And when Trump contradicts that and directly says Iran was in fact 2 weeks from a nuke, how will you translate that?

The logic was Rubio is a broken little simp who is scared of the mob of bigots at the command of the orange pedo.

Because that would be accurate

Yes, because the orange pedo and the pedo defenders are well known for consistent logic and coherent points.

Then what was the point of killing all these people and further disrupting global stability?
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I know your whole new schtick is that "well he only said two weeks because that was the only window they had to attack", which is ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ stupid as all hell, but these two posts are what I was referring to and we both know you got notifications for them since they quoted you.

I'll eagerly await whatever asinine reasoning you come up with to defend Trump this time. I don't know why you guys can't just admit he says dumb ◊◊◊◊ and he's lying. Why is that?
 
Planigale said:
Not sure if there is a better thread, but If I was China, I would be thinking that now would be a good time to make a move on Taiwan
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Is China making a move on Taiwan? No signs of it yet. And just like there were signs of our repositioning to attack Iran, there's going to be plenty of signs of China repositioning before they can attack Taiwan.

And I don't think China is taking the message from this conflict that you think they are. For one thing, their oil supply is now under threat. You think that's the ideal time for them to launch an invasion? It's not. The old aphorism about armies marching on their stomachs, but nowdays it's more that armies march on their gas tanks.

Second, we just killed Iran's top brass on the first day of the conflict. If you don't think that has China's top brass second guessing their own vulnerability, you're kidding yourself.
 
plague311 said:
I'll eagerly await whatever asinine reasoning you come up with to defend Trump this time.
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I'm not going to. My point wasn't that Trump was right. My point was that the claim about what Trump even said was wrong. Which you aren't actually disputing.
 
On Twitter, we are now allowed to destroy cultures, because the army is not woke anymore:
Jon Miller
@MillerStream
new bs maga talking point just dropped:

“the only reason we opposed foreign wars was because the military was woke! now that it’s been dewokefied, we support forever wars again!”
 
Tero said:
On Twitter, we are now allowed to destroy cultures, because the army is not woke anymore:
Jon Miller
@MillerStream
new bs maga talking point just dropped:

“the only reason we opposed foreign wars was because the military was woke! now that it’s been dewokefied, we support forever wars again!”
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More like "Now that we've renounced decency and civilisation at large, we're free to behave like barbarians!"

ETA: "but we reserve the right to whine like 5 years old if a single one of our men get their feathers rustled!"
 
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China is building connections and wealth while Israel and the US are destroying it.
They have lodged themselves into Africa, and no one can dislodged them.
They have Russia and North Korea under their control, and nothing to fear from Japan - or the US at this point.

No, I think an invasion of Taiwan is less likely than ever, though an increased pressure for the island reduce US connections is.

China has been anticipating this crisis by building up huge oil reserves. And there are reports that they are helping the Iranians with access to their GPS and communication systems and some intel.

China is fine with everyone bashing each other's heads in and picking up the pieces, looking like the only Power not gungho for war all the time.
 
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