Trump's promised ICE raids have begun

[thaiboxerken]

All they know is that they want white supremacy. White supremacists don't want brown people in the country, unless it's for slave labor. They don't want LGBTQ+ people in the country, unless they are their closet sex slaves. They don't want anyone that isn't compliant to white supremacy in the country.

 

[johnny karate]

Fair enough. Trump 2.0 is better than Trump 1.0.

Not sure "better" is how I'd describe Trump deporting a violent criminal that he originally let into the country only after said violent criminal murders someone, but I guess you've got to take your victories where you can with this adminstration.

 

[thaiboxerken]

We all know it's a double-standard. And by all, I mean them too. Vranyo is what MAGA imported from Russia and part of the MAGA culture.

 

[a_unique_person]

Fair enough. Trump 2.0 is better than Trump 1.0.

Trump 1.0 didn't decide it was time to significantly expand the size of the USA.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Trump 1.0 didn't decide it was time to significantly expand the size of the USA.

He saw how well it was going for his old friend Putin, grabbing territory off Ukraine, and thought he'd have a try.

 

[Tero]

Jeff

NSFW - swear word

elderly rage-baby melts down when called out for massive abuse of deportees

Brazil, Colombia and Mexico condemn Donny’s ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊

www.jefftiedrich.com

 

[AmyStrange]

Mass arrests in nationwide US immigration crackdown

ICE arrests 956 migrants as part of Trump's immigration crackdown

There were raids in Miami, Chicago, Newark and New Jersey on Sunday in an operation involving several agencies.

www.bbc.co.uk

Ok, now I'm trying to figure out where Homan got the figure 3,000 that he extolled last Thursday.*


ICE Racks Up Biggest Day of Arrests Since Trump Took Office
Story by Jack Davis

Immigration raids have topped 2,000 arrests since President Donald Trump took office, according to Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

The total includes 956 arrests on Sunday alone and about 1,300 arrests that border czar Tom Homan said were made through Thursday, according to NewsNation.

So let's do the math again.

2,000 arrests over the last seven days is 285 a day, but let's be generous and uptick it to 300.

300 x 365 x 4 = 532,900

Hell, that's even worse than my previous calculation of 1.1 million (based on Homans stated 3,000).*

Once again, the maga weirdoes stupidly believed their fat-clown messiah and couch-loving liar were telling the truth... (hahahahahaha)

Obviously, blaming Biden and Harris for their immigration failures and not trump is more proof that the maga weirdoes are beyond stupid and delusional.


Of course, he may do better in the next 1,453 days, but right now, it's not looking good for team trump.


*ETA: Here's the post and article that I got the number 3,000 from:

Post in thread 'Trump's promised ICE raids have begun'

Jan 25, 2025

Ok, according to the Washington Post, the total number of deportees for the past three days is 538, but Homan is disputing that number:


Trump ramps up ICE arrests, alarming cities and immigrant communities
Story by Maria Sacchetti, Nick Miroff, Dan Rosenzweig-Ziff, Teo Armus

The Trump administration circulated photos Friday showing U.S. troops loading shackled detainees onto a military cargo plane, as the White House declared a start to the mass deportation campaign the president promised along the campaign trail.

The White House said immigration agents have...

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[Donal]

No. They do work at wages that "real Americans" refuse to work at. That's not the same thing at all. Given that these permissive immigration policies are advanced by the same people who push jacking up the minimum wage, there's more than a bit of irony there.

Only if you missrepresent what people are advocating. Which you do. Intentionally. Because you aren't interested in honest discussion.

Funny how you want to treat women and children like Osama bin Laden but not the rich guys who are funding and planning out these grave and serious crimes...which is what bin Laden's role in 9/11 was.

 

[AmyStrange]

Here's some more racist, maga-weirdo crap for your afternoon tea time:


Teacher investigated after asking ICE to raid school where kids 'don't even speak English'
Story by David Edwards

In a post that is now private, a Fort Worth user on the X platform responded to an ICE enforcement update. President Donald Trump has tasked border czar Tom Homan with carrying out mass deportations. Homan has said that he was willing to authorize school raids.

"Y'all should come to Fort Worth, TX to Northside High School," the post said, complaining that "many students who don't even speak English."

A majority of students enrolled in Fort Worth ISD schools were reportedly Latino...

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[dudalb]

Or maybe I'd have to see the unconstitutional actions before calling them such. Not everyone believes enforcing the law is a negative. Just because you don't like something doesnt mean it can't, or shouldn't be done.

An action can be consituional and still stink on ice.
I don;t like the current adminstratoin deportation policies, but plese show where they violate the constituion.

 

[dudalb]

Who said they are going to wait to see if the courts approve. Trump's whole schtick is mass action from day one with a record number of executive orders.

And a court can stop an executive order.

Look, he has to be MS13 because he's from Mexico.


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Of course. And everybody from Sicily is a member of the Mafia....

 

[Norman Alexander]

Of course. And everybody from Sicily is a member of the Mafia....

Trump is from Sicily??

 

[Minoosh]

I don't quite get your empathy for foreign criminal murderers, but this is from the Maryland State's Attorney. If this doesn't placate you, I guess nothing will do.

https://www.harfordcountystatesatto...g-member-pleads-guilty-in-brutal-2022-murder/

This post isn't really related to the conversation you're having with someone else but it reminded me of something.

Murderers (you don't need criminal there) who have served their sentence are supposed to be picked up by ICE. It's not hard to deport a lot of people that way but it's not instantaneous. Or maybe it can be, if the person is not trying to fight it. It's often not clear what it means to
"deport" someone. lt used to be common to just drop Mexican immigrants off on the Mexican side of the border with really no paperwork. There was a different team for that.

So Colombia didn't want people being returned on military jets. They said civilian aircraft would be fine. I don't know why this is different for them but it is based on something real. Flying military aircraft into their airspace I guess? And one nation complained about them being handcuffed for the flight.

So my question is ... who ARE these people? None of the news stories I read yesterday touched on that. And where did ICE get them? Is it a result of Trump raids, or a case of ICE finally getting around to picking them up? Or were they holding back so they could make a big splash when Trump came into office?

People on ICE holds are deported every day. I feel like there are people in this country who *really don't know this*. Biden did it, Obama did it, Trump did it ... it's a routine thing except Trump I guess just wanted to antagonize people to stay in the news cycle.

Who are these people, when did their sentences expire, when did ICE pick them up and how long were they in ICE custody? Because it may have NOTHING to do with mass deportations of farmworkers etc. ... I don't think this could have been a result of last week's raids but I could be wrong.

 

[AmyStrange]

Who are these people, when did their sentences expire, when did ICE pick them up and how long were they in ICE custody? Because it may have NOTHING to do with mass deportations of farmworkers etc. ... I don't think this could have been a result of last week's raids but I could be wrong.

I don't have an answer yet, but good question.


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[AmyStrange]

Gurdwaras?

Well, I'm now being forced to give trump credit for at least one thing.

I learned something new today:


US Homeland Security agents raid gurdwaras in New York and New Jersey for illegal immigrants

Law enforcement officials from the US Department of Homeland Security have started visiting gurdwaras in New York and New Jersey to check for the presence of illegal immigrants, drawing a sharp reaction from some Sikh organisations which see such actions as a threat to the sanctity of their faith.

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[AmyStrange]

I don't know whose numbers to believe anymore:


Mexico Confirms It Received About 4,000 Deportees On Trump's First Week, President Says It's Not a 'Substantial Increase'
Story by Demian Bio

Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum said on Monday the country received about 4,000 deportees from the U.S. during the first week of the Donald Trump administration, adding that the figure did not represent a "substantial increase" from previous weeks.

"If we take the weekly figure it is a number that our country has seen in other occasions," Sheinbaum said during her daily press conference. She added that four deportation flights landed in Mexico over the past days, a figure that is also not unprecedented.

TBH, this is a piss in the bucket, because in order to get rid of the alleged 11.7 million alleged illegal immigrants in the U.S., trump and homan need to deport 8,052 noncitizens a day.


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[Minoosh]

tl;dr: Expect routine proceedings to be carried out with extra drama. Some nations protesting may be playing to their domestic audience just as Trump plays to his, and some drama may be completely phony - prearranged. It suits Trump, it suits the media. Forget social media as an actual information source. Stories can morph into *anything* that way.

 

[TomB]

My thoughts on all of this....

First, I'm for border enforcement. We need to have knowledge and control of who comes into the country.

But that also needs to be paired with a fast and efficient way to allow guest workers in. We depend on a seasonal work force for a number of jobs, particularly agriculture. It should not take months or years to get a guest worker permit. The labor demand is apparently there for the number of people that are crossing. This leads me to believe that we don't have an excess of people entering the country. Rather that the process is so inefficient that the number who can enter legally is insufficient.

If it's not difficult to enter legally, illegal crossings are less attractive.

For people already here, I mostly consider that as the result of the inefficient entry system. If they are here, employed, and have not been committing crimes, convert them to a legal status. To arguments about it being unfair to those who waited in line, I point to a) the line being unworkable, and b) it's the option that's least disruptive to U.S. society and commerce, so it's to our benefit.

People who commit serious crimes should be removed. With due process, of course.

Whenever someone is deported (for whatever reason) the disposition of dependent children should be addressed as part of that due process. Parents can always take their children with them. (Child still has citizenship.) But they could also make arrangements to stay with family or friends.

I don't like the idea of detaining someone just to check citizenship or, say during a traffic stop. If actually taken into custody, fine.
Why?
Because I have children and grandchildren of Mexican descent. Born here to U.S. citizens. It has occurred to me that they could be detained because of their skin color.
I think if ICE (or other law enforcement) is going to check my grandchildren's citizenship status, they should be equally as likely to check your grandchildren's status.

 

[a_unique_person]

Only if you missrepresent what people are advocating. Which you do. Intentionally. Because you aren't interested in honest discussion.

Funny how you want to treat women and children like Osama bin Laden but not the rich guys who are funding and planning out these grave and serious crimes...which is what bin Laden's role in 9/11 was.

The unemployment rate under Biden was very low. If it was high, Trump might have a point. When it's low, then no one is missing out on a job because of migrants.

The USA is famous, though, for its absurdly low minimum wage.

 

[AmyStrange]

Well, this is interesting...


Arrested under Biden, deported under Trump: Guatemalans sent back and welcomed with cookies
Story by David Culver, Evelio Contreras, Jerry Simonson and Rachel Clarke, CNN

Repatriation flights have been an ongoing process, Herrera told CNN, adding there had been no increase since Trump came to power. The only difference, she said, was the use of military planes such as the one arriving later on Monday...

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