Cont: Trump’s Coup - Part 2

[tyr_13]

If any of that were true I would agree with you. And, indeed, you hear all that stuff from the Justice Department lawyers during their weekly gabfest with Rachel Maddow or Brian Stelter. "These people are worse than Hitler and they were planning to nuke the capitol and hang Mike Pence and this is by far the worst attack on any country since the dawn of time!!!11!!!"

But then a funny thing happens. They get in front of a judge where it's not just what rolls out of their mouths and they actually have to provide evidence and it turns into "Your Honor, we have this defendant dead to rights on illegal parading, we want you to throw the book at them by giving them 60 days in jail."

Again, I'm not defending any rioter. I think that they're all a bunch of idiots and they deserve to be and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. But I'm not going to believe the media's partisan hyperbole without seeing some evidence.

There is literally video and a ton of other documentation, including the words of the insurrectionists themselves.

Your ignorance at this point has to be willful. Your attempt at leveling it with other rioting is a poor attempt at manipulation.

 

[cmikes]

There is literally video and a ton of other documentation, including the words of the insurrectionists themselves.

Your ignorance at this point has to be willful. Your attempt at leveling it with other rioting is a poor attempt at manipulation.

Again, if all this evidence exists why does it never translate into actual court cases? If that blonde idiot is worse than Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, and Arnold put together and had a dastardly plot to take over the world, why is she getting 60 days for "illegal parading"? Why not treason?

I've seen the videos and I am disgusted by them. People acting like animals is never appropriate and every single one them should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

But the media trying to turn a riot into a revolution is a stupid overreach. As far as trying to compare it to other riots, why not? I don't care what cause you're rioting for, destroying property and injuring or killing people is never right.

The only time I would find it appropriate would be in a Socialist/Communist country where the people have no rights at all and have no other way to effect change. But in a country like America that has free elections and the people are free to change their government, it's never right to use violence for political ends. The last thing the Right should do is follow the Democrats down that rabbit hole.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

The Judges want harsher sentences, but with 500+ defendants, prosecutors are content to give the least dangerous a slap on the wrist.
Others are going to get charged with seditious conspiracy.

 

[Delphic Oracle]

Again, if all this evidence exists why does it never translate into actual court cases? If that blonde idiot is worse than Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, and Arnold put together and had a dastardly plot to take over the world, why is she getting 60 days for "illegal parading"? Why not treason?



I've seen the videos and I am disgusted by them. People acting like animals is never appropriate and every single one them should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.



But the media trying to turn a riot into a revolution is a stupid overreach. As far as trying to compare it to other riots, why not? I don't care what cause you're rioting for, destroying property and injuring or killing people is never right.



The only time I would find it appropriate would be in a Socialist/Communist country where the people have no rights at all and have no other way to effect change. But in a country like America that has free elections and the people are free to change their government, it's never right to use violence for political ends. The last thing the Right should do is follow the Democrats down that rabbit hole.

I'm pretty sure lots of people who attended protests against racist police violence and in the vicinity where property damage and police injuries occurred were prosecuted for minor offenses, too. Many right-aligned news outlets excoriated any and all participants with a broad brush in similar dramatic terms.

Your phrasing suggests otherwise.

 

[tyr_13]

Again, if all this evidence exists

It does. Any analysis of what is happening and why has to account for the existence of this overwhelming evidence that shows they were there to do violence to elected officials so that the peaceful transfer of power didn't happen. This is in the videos, in the documents (emails, texts, posts, etc), and words of the insurrectionists themselves.

why does it never translate into actual court cases? If that blonde idiot is worse than Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, and Arnold put together and had a dastardly plot to take over the world, why is she getting 60 days for "illegal parading"? Why not treason?

Your reasoning in fatally flawed. That what you think should happen with the evidence given is not happening in absolutely no way means the evidence isn't there. It means that there are factors you're not considering leading to the evidence that is there matching the actions happening after.

If you walked in on your partner having sexual relations with someone else, you might well expect them to be surprised and apologize or make excuses. If they instead were calm and with a straight face said no other person was in the room, you should definitely not conclude they must not have actually been cheating on you. 'Well my eyes must be lying' isn't the rational conclusion.

And it really doesn't help your case that judges have also been asking why the charges are not more harsh. Others have already given you factors you're not considering. Another is the 'legitimacy of the DoJ' argument in that they don't want to appear to be going hard on political enemies. They could also be afraid that doing so will lead to more rejecting the government and more violence. Then there is the fact that right wing terrorism in the US has always been treated with kid gloves.

They should be charged with much more. The reasons they are not is not that they didn't do as the evidence shows.

I've seen the videos and I am disgusted by them. People acting like animals is never appropriate and every single one them should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

But the media trying to turn a riot into a revolution is a stupid overreach. As far as trying to compare it to other riots, why not? I don't care what cause you're rioting for, destroying property and injuring or killing people is never right.

The only time I would find it appropriate would be in a Socialist/Communist country where the people have no rights at all and have no other way to effect change. But in a country like America that has free elections and the people are free to change their government, it's never right to use violence for political ends. The last thing the Right should do is follow the Democrats down that rabbit hole.

Lmao. Most political violence and terrorism in the US for the last thirty (forty maybe?) years has been from the right wing apart from the obvious exception of 2001.

You're rationalizing. It isn't a respectable argument.

 

[Craig4]

The Judges want harsher sentences, but with 500+ defendants, prosecutors are content to give the least dangerous a slap on the wrist.
Others are going to get charged with seditious conspiracy.

The government is playing a dangerous game. These people need to eat violent felonies so we can take their guns and arrest them if they even attempt to buy new ones.

If they have sentences that keep them in jail for a couple of years followed by supervised release, we can subjugate the enemy who attacked us on 1/6 through 2024.

 

[Stacyhs]

Make sure they put in the bit about you ******** on the table in the house you broke in.

And swapping a six pack for mail-in ballots!

 

[Beelzebuddy]

Others are going to get charged with seditious conspiracy.

Are they, though?

 

[phiwum]

Again, if all this evidence exists why does it never translate into actual court cases? If that blonde idiot is worse than Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, and Arnold put together and had a dastardly plot to take over the world, why is she getting 60 days for "illegal parading"? Why not treason?



I've seen the videos and I am disgusted by them. People acting like animals is never appropriate and every single one them should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.



But the media trying to turn a riot into a revolution is a stupid overreach. As far as trying to compare it to other riots, why not? I don't care what cause you're rioting for, destroying property and injuring or killing people is never right.



The only time I would find it appropriate would be in a Socialist/Communist country where the people have no rights at all and have no other way to effect change. But in a country like America that has free elections and the people are free to change their government, it's never right to use violence for political ends. The last thing the Right should do is follow the Democrats down that rabbit hole.

Maybe the blonde idiot isn't one of the worst?

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[Parsman]

Where were they rioting? In the buildings which were the seat of your government. What day were they rioting? The day that the election results were being ratified. What were some of the things they were chanting? "Stop the steal!" and "Hang Mike Pence". How does the video show them attacking police? With metal flag poles, bear spray, other short blunt weapons some improvised, some brought for the purpose. Where do we get the figures for the injured police officers and the subsequent suicides? From official police figures. You can see and know all that and still believe it had nothing to do with keeping Trump in power, then you have problems with your world view and are certainly no skeptic at least where politics are concerned but are instead a true believer.

 

[cmikes]

Your reasoning in fatally flawed. That what you think should happen with the evidence given is not happening in absolutely no way means the evidence isn't there. It means that there are factors you're not considering leading to the evidence that is there matching the actions happening after.

If you walked in on your partner having sexual relations with someone else, you might well expect them to be surprised and apologize or make excuses. If they instead were calm and with a straight face said no other person was in the room, you should definitely not conclude they must not have actually been cheating on you. 'Well my eyes must be lying' isn't the rational conclusion.

And it really doesn't help your case that judges have also been asking why the charges are not more harsh. Others have already given you factors you're not considering. Another is the 'legitimacy of the DoJ' argument in that they don't want to appear to be going hard on political enemies. They could also be afraid that doing so will lead to more rejecting the government and more violence. Then there is the fact that right wing terrorism in the US has always been treated with kid gloves.

They should be charged with much more. The reasons they are not is not that they didn't do as the evidence shows.

So why does the FBI disagree with you about all this conspiracy evidence?

reuters.com

Though federal officials have arrested more than 570 alleged participants, the FBI at this point believes the violence was not centrally coordinated by far-right groups or prominent supporters of then-President Donald Trump, according to the sources, who have been either directly involved in or briefed regularly on the wide-ranging investigations.

"Ninety to ninety-five percent of these are one-off cases," said a former senior law enforcement official with knowledge of the investigation. "Then you have five percent, maybe, of these militia groups that were more closely organized. But there was no grand scheme with Roger Stone and Alex Jones and all of these people to storm the Capitol and take hostages."

Again, just to make my position clear. I'm not defending anyone that took part in the riot. Every single one them needs to be prosecuted. It needs to be made perfectly clear that there is never a time in America for political violence.


On the other hand, to take the media position that the riot was a revolution, that there was a vast right wing conspiracy to take over the country by having a riot at the capitol is complete nonsense. It's right up there with the moon is an illusion, or JFK was killed by the CIA, or the collusion truthers.

Lmao. Most political violence and terrorism in the US for the last thirty (forty maybe?) years has been from the right wing apart from the obvious exception of 2001.

You're rationalizing. It isn't a respectable argument.

Billons of dollars in property damage last year and dozens of people killed. Let me guess, all Antifa/BLM members are secret right wingers like all the segregationists were, right?

 

[cmikes]

Are they, though?

That's the thing. IF this so far invisible evidence is found that there was a plot to take over the country by wandering through the capital taking selfies and stealing lecterns I am perfectly willing to change my opinion.

So far, however, all we have is lot of sound and fury on the politics networks and lots of "illegal parading" charges when the Justice Department has to actually produce evidence in front of a judge. If the political agents at the FBI ever start to produce the evidence of this vast right wing conspiracy then I'll start to pay attention.

This is starting to look more and more like the collusion hoax. Three years of people screaming on the political networks about how bad Orange Man is followed by a Gilda Radner like "never mind" when it comes time to actually, you know, prove anything.

 

[Parsman]

That's the thing. IF this so far invisible evidence is found that there was a plot to take over the country by wandering through the capital taking selfies and stealing lecterns I am perfectly willing to change my opinion.

So far, however, all we have is lot of sound and fury on the politics networks and lots of "illegal parading" charges when the Justice Department has to actually produce evidence in front of a judge. If the political agents at the FBI ever start to produce the evidence of this vast right wing conspiracy then I'll start to pay attention.

This is starting to look more and more like the collusion hoax. Three years of people screaming on the political networks about how bad Orange Man is followed by a Gilda Radner like "never mind" when it comes time to actually, you know, prove anything.

Where were they rioting? In your capital, at the Capitol, your seat of government. What did they say themselves their purpose was? To "Stop the steal!". How would they achieve it? By threatening law makers, by screaming "Hang Mike Pence!". How would they get to the law makers and Mike Pence? By physically attacking police officers, by injuring them with various weapons, by threatening their lives and by trying to break into barricaded and protected areas. You seem to be clinging to the delusion that this had nothing to do with the behaviour of Trump and his cronies. If they hadn't lied about a free and fair election being "stolen" those idiots wouldn't have been there. This was the Orange Man's fault because he is a liar, a swindler, a narcissist and a bully who couldn't take being beat fair and square. That isn't TDS that is a statement of fact, unless you are one of those conspiracy Q anon supporting "JFK and JFK Jr aren't dead" morons who believe this crazed world view.

 

[Lurch]

That's the thing. IF this so far invisible evidence is found that there was a plot to take over the country by wandering through the capital taking selfies and stealing lecterns I am perfectly willing to change my opinion.

So far, however, all we have is lot of sound and fury on the politics networks and lots of "illegal parading" charges when the Justice Department has to actually produce evidence in front of a judge. If the political agents at the FBI ever start to produce the evidence of this vast right wing conspiracy then I'll start to pay attention.

This is starting to look more and more like the collusion hoax. Three years of people screaming on the political networks about how bad Orange Man is followed by a Gilda Radner like "never mind" when it comes time to actually, you know, prove anything.

Jan 6 was the US's Beer Hall putsch. Next time won't be so chaotic or lacking in organization.

Be careful of downplaying this event as some almost comical fumbling of dunderheads. There were inimical forces at work which only lacked sufficient cohesion, or time to get all necessary ducks in a row. Minimize and scoff at your peril, America.

 

[Babbylonian]

Jan 6 was the US's Beer Hall putsch. Next time won't be so chaotic or lacking in organization.

Be careful of downplaying this event as some almost comical fumbling of dunderheads. There were inimical forces at work which only lacked sufficient cohesion, or time to get all necessary ducks in a row. Minimize and scoff at your peril, America.

You're replying to a classic fringe reset and it's pretty pointless. "What evidence? I've never seen any evidence." It's particularly galling when the event was documented live on every network with the criminals themselves providing live streaming evidence of their actions and intentions.

 

[Stacyhs]

That's the thing. IF this so far invisible evidence is found that there was a plot to take over the country by wandering through the capital taking selfies and stealing lecterns I am perfectly willing to change my opinion.

So far, however, all we have is lot of sound and fury on the politics networks and lots of "illegal parading" charges when the Justice Department has to actually produce evidence in front of a judge. If the political agents at the FBI ever start to produce the evidence of this vast right wing conspiracy then I'll start to pay attention.

This is starting to look more and more like the collusion hoax. Three years of people screaming on the political networks about how bad Orange Man is followed by a Gilda Radner like "never mind" when it comes time to actually, you know, prove anything.

Oh, for Christ's sake. No, this was not a centrally organized coup. It was a slap hazard bunch of idiotic individuals and smaller militia type groups like the Proud Boys who all came TOGETHER ON THE SAME DAY, NOT BY CHANCE. They came with one intention and called by one man: Trump. Without Trump, they would not have been there in the first damn place as many of them have said. The common denominator is the f-wit Trump.

 

[Resume]

You're replying to a classic fringe reset and it's pretty pointless. "What evidence? I've never seen any evidence." It's particularly galling when the event was documented live on every network with the criminals themselves providing live streaming evidence of their actions and intentions.

We're storming the Capitol, it's a Revolution!

An oldie, but a goodie!

 

[cmikes]

You're replying to a classic fringe reset and it's pretty pointless. "What evidence? I've never seen any evidence." It's particularly galling when the event was documented live on every network with the criminals themselves providing live streaming evidence of their actions and intentions.

Wow! If you have the evidence that this was some far reaching plot by Hydra CHAOS SPECTRE Trump you need to give it to the FBI immediately since they're still saying that almost all the rioters involved were not involved in a conspiracy and that the few dumbasses who planned to be violent didn't have any overarching plan.

Msn.com

Ninety to ninety-five percent of these are one-off cases," said a former senior law enforcement official with knowledge of the investigation. "Then you have five percent, maybe, of these militia groups that were more closely organized. But there was no grand scheme with Roger Stone and Alex Jones and all of these people to storm the Capitol and take hostages.

 

[cmikes]

Oh, for Christ's sake. No, this was not a centrally organized coup. It was a slap hazard bunch of idiotic individuals and smaller militia type groups like the Proud Boys who all came TOGETHER ON THE SAME DAY, NOT BY CHANCE. They came with one intention and called by one man: Trump. Without Trump, they would not have been there in the first damn place as many of them have said. The common denominator is the f-wit Trump.

Exactly right. That's what I honestly don't understand. The riot was bad enough by itself. The people involved need to be prosecuted. The whole thing of trying to turn it into "This is the worst attack that has ever happened in the history of the world. This is worse than the Civil War, Pearl Harbor and 9/11 put together!" just lessens the impact of it because at that point who's going to take you seriously?

 

[Delphic Oracle]

Exactly right. That's what I honestly don't understand. The riot was bad enough by itself. The people involved need to be prosecuted. The whole thing of trying to turn it into "This is the worst attack that has ever happened in the history of the world. This is worse than the Civil War, Pearl Harbor and 9/11 put together!" just lessens the impact of it because at that point who's going to take you seriously?

What kind of bulk rate are you getting on all that straw?