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Cont: Trump’s Coup - Part 2

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Warp12 said:
Why would the Republicans need a platform? The Dems made one for them.

Literally, the Dem platform was so bad that Trump was nearly elected twice, and there was a supposed "Coup". But nope, must be the fault of those 74M voters.

Amazing.
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Not surprised you turn out to be a faithful follower of Dear Leader.
 
dudalb said:
Not surprised you turn out to be a faithful follower of Dear Leader.
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Where did you get that from? Trump is an idiot. And the weak Democratic platform got him elected...almost.twice.
 
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Shalamar said:
There's no real problems with the 'Dem Platform'. It just seems that Republicans have been fed lies about the Democratic party ("They're gonna take yer guns away!") and conservatives want an authoritarian one party conservative state.
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This ^

Republicans don't want to hear the real message because they would find themselves in the same position I was in a few years ago....wondering why the hell I ever believed the Republicans.

It isn't about the platform or facts, it's about fear. That is all they have.
 
Warp12 said:
People are pointing at QAnon, and such things, and ignoring the obvious fact that the Democrats are failing with their policy. It isn't like this was a blowout win.
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Except that they aren't failing with their policies. Even a majority of Republicans like the policies that the Democrats are trying to pass. The issue is not policy, but rather that the Republican party and its media branches have sent the last 50 years demonizing the Democrats to the point where 74 million Americans would rather vote for a man they know is terrible and likely to do nothing for them, over a party that wants to help them and does so. You want to see how well the Republican machine has their voters brainwashed, look up how much Republican voters loved the idea of the ACA, but hated Obamacare!

Heck, look at the current situation with Vaccines. Trump wants to take credit for them, but at the same time Republicans are being told by their media to not take them, and so they aren't. They are willing to risk death or a lifetime of illness rather than to give a Democratic President a win. That's crazy.

When you see them wearing T-Shirts with things like "Better Russian than Democrat" you know there is no hope of persuading them of anything else.
 
Belz... said:
Correction: 3/5ths. And to add to the funny, it was the slave owners who wanted to count them as full people, but only when it benefited them politically.
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They wanted them counted as full people for the purpose of determinging the number of Represenattives per state. They had no intention of actually allowing them to vote.
 
Warp12 said:
Where did you get that from? Trump is an idiot. And the weak Democratic platform got him elected...almost.twice.
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What the hell is this "almost twice" crap? Trump was given the heave ho by the voters his second time out
 
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
Where did you get that from? Trump is an idiot. And the weak Democratic platform got him elected...almost.twice.
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gregthehammer said:
The **** is this almost twice ****** Trump was given the heave ho by the voters his second time out
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He was outvoted by an even greater popular vote margin the second time. Enough to overcome the stupid electoral system that unfairly gives low-population, red states an advantage.

Democrats are not fond of the Electoral College these days, for obvious reasons. Two Republicans, George W. Bush and Donald Trump, have won the presidency in the past 20 years, and both of them galumphed into the Oval Office after losing the popular vote. In this era of tight national races, the system has clearly given Republicans a built-in advantage that allows them to govern with a minority of the public’s support.
And now, a new working paper by researchers at the University of Texas at Austin has quantified just how big that edge might have been in recent decades.

In their baseline results, the authors find that during the past 30 years, a hypothetical Republican who earned 49 percent of the two-party popular vote—that is, the vote total won by Democrats and Republicans, excluding third parties—could expect to win the Electoral College about 27 percent of the time. A Democrat with that share of the vote would have just an 11 percent chance of winning. At 49.5 percent of the popular vote, a Republican would have enjoyed a 46 percent probability of walking away with the presidency, versus a 21 percent chance for a Democrat. In a photo finish where the two parties split the vote about 50-50, a Republican would have had a 65 percent chance of spending the next four years in office.
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https://slate.com/business/2019/09/electoral-college-republican-advantage-texas-economics-paper.html
 
mgidm86 said:
This ^

Republicans don't want to hear the real message because they would find themselves in the same position I was in a few years ago....wondering why the hell I ever believed the Republicans.

It isn't about the platform or facts, it's about fear. That is all they have.
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It’s way worse than just fear.
The right wing has convinced half of America that an argument presented with volume is more valid than an argument presented with facts. In fact in many cases right-wingers now laugh at people who present facts and citations.


And the GOP created what can only be described as a cult - every US intelligence agency and law enforcement agent that studied the 2016 election concluded that Russia interfered. And every intelligence agency of our allies concluded the same thing. But President Chucklehead says there was no interference and all the Trumlikans nod in agreement. FFS, Trump even got caught saying, “ What you’re seeing and what you’re reading is not what’s happening”!
 
Thermal said:
He didn't.


Not credibly. Talk is cheap.
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He obviously tried. I wouldn't have to write that except you're not expressing yourself clearly.

It was credible enough that Chairman of the Joint Chiefs urgently planned how to circumvent.

He doesn't have an army to unleash. Except maybe the US Army? In which case, he didn't.
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While I realize that Jan 6 overshadowed June 1.... how soon they forget..

Talk remains cheap. Fascists actually do it.
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(1) There was a lot more than talk. You're foisting rank bs.
(2) Do you grant other isms a pass based on ineptitude?
 
Warp12 said:
Why would the Republicans need a platform? The Dems made one for them.

Literally, the Dem platform was so bad that Trump was nearly elected twice, and there was a supposed "Coup". But nope, must be the fault of those 74M voters.

Amazing.
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Really?

You think the Democratic platform in 2016 was a major reason that Trump was elected? Because I don’t see their platform being anything close to the burning hatred of HRC.
Also, didn’t DJT garner votes for a variety of reasons:

billionaires don’t need to raise funds for re-election campaigns,
an outsider is needed to shake things up,
a successful businessman can run the country without wasteful spending,
he really cares about the little guy,
he is way more Christian than HRC,
we need to send a ***** you message to DC,
he is really good at whistling,
unlike the Dems, DJT isn’t interested in sleeping with minors,
he hates the same people I hate.

Besides, how many moderates who lean right think the 2016 Democratic Platform consisted of
rounding up all the guns,
making people have abortions,
implementing the gay agenda,
installing death panels to pull medical funding of sick old people,
making sure that death taxes can be used to seize small farms that have been in the family for generations
 
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varwoche said:
I forgot to mention ... the attempt to overthrow democracy is still in play.
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Of course it is. Until actual reasonable punishment and consequences happen it will be.

A failed coup without consequences is just a training exercise.
 
dudalb said:
Which reinforces why I support Term limits for the US Congress. If you knew you would only be there for a limited number of years, and could not make a lifetime career of being in Congress. you might not put reelection above everything else.
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No you put getting a cushy lobbying job ahead of everything else. That way we just give more power to lobbyists.
 
Has Glenn Greenwald gone so far left he ended up on the right?

Not sure if this is the right place to put this, but here he is expressing disbelief that some guy who merely "entered the Capitol wearing a Trump t-shirt, held a Trump flag, took a selfie with Q Shaman" could get a year and a half in jail.

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Hey numbskull! He was engaged in trespass and, oh...and an insurrection designed to prevent the peaceful transfer of democratically elected power. Do you think that maybe that has something to do with it, Glenn?
 
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