Cont: Trump’s Coup - Part 2

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Retired Air Force lieutenant colonel Larry Rendall Brock Jr. was identified as part of the mob in the Capitol.

Photographs appear show the man wearing tactical gear, including a helmet, and at one point holding zip ties. Other images appear to show another individual holding cable ties.

Pictures were taken of him outside Nancy Pelosi's office. He says he didn't enter but there are images of him leaving the office.

He also says he picked the zip ties off the floor and intended to give them to a police officer. Also, not believable.
 
I’m sure they were all in fact either looking for the toilet or where to buy a ticket for a tour.
 
Distracted1 said:
I am reverting to a previously held position.
One that the poster I was responding to seems to agree with.
The use of the term "execution" in instances such as the one being discussed is wrong, unfounded, and indicative of a bias that blinds one from making a reasoned argument.

Neither dishonest, nor hypocritical. In spite of your unfounded accusations.
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Well you are being disingenuous if you cannot distinguish between a genuine severe immediate threat and the multiple killings of people who were no threat.

Although I prefer the term murder, for a lot of them rather than execution.
 
acbytesla said:
Your cell phone has multiple radios in it. A cell phone radio, a GPS radio, a WIFI radio, a bluetooth radio. Depending on what is running, the cell antenna and base station can log a tremendous amount of data including your GPS location which can pinpoint your location within feet. However, it might not be able to know say what floor you're on. But there are many reasons why the carrier would only log a minimum amout of that data and not have that data available for law enforcement.
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I guess my question is whether the federal government has previously asked cell phone carriers to keep more than the normal amount of data for towers in sensitive locations, you know, like around the Russian embassy or the White House. It would make sense and could be a request that still requires a warrant to actually get the information.
 
Dr. Keith said:
I guess my question is whether the federal government has previously asked cell phone carriers to keep more than the normal amount of data for towers in sensitive locations, you know, like around the Russian embassy or the White House. It would make sense and could be a request that still requires a warrant to actually get the information.
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I'd guess that they would. But I wouldn't presume to actually know.
 
Wudang said:
I’m thinking more along the lines that if they were jointly complicit in the commission of a crime and that crime lead to a death, are they then all to some degree complicit in the homicide? I believe that applies to say bank robberies but they tend to be more planned. I have no idea.
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I get you. Yea, that's certainly an interesting possibility.
 
acbytesla said:
I'd guess that they would. But I wouldn't presume to actually know.
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Just a nit. The base stations don't have the smarts - the central offices do. In general, a call is received by multiple towers at once; the central office obtains the data and determines how a call is handled. And even if you aren't on a call, the location services have to know where you are in case someone calls you.
 
acbytesla said:
Maybe. I'm always a bit skeptical since I sold that kind of equipment for thirty years. I have read many exaggerations from so called authorities about the level of detail. It all depends on the setup. So much of the Capitol is stone and granite. It was probably a nightmare to set up to receive decent cell service. That is until the last 15 years and the advent of microcells. These are just like any other cell phone antenna except they run at very low power to limit their coverage. I am just not personally knowledgeable of the Capitol's cell service structure.

You combine this with video surveillance, social networks and the like and you very well maybe be able to do that.
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I hope so. The ping activity should be a treasure of useful information.
 
pgwenthold said:
I saw a video from when they broke through the first barricade. It was probably 100 yds or more in front of the capital.

By the time they got to the steps, the riot squad should have been there.

That video of when they were at the gates on the steps is at least checkpoint 2
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I suspect there was some inside cooperation, both in preparation and on the ground. I hope not, but I suspect it.
 
pgwenthold said:
I don't know how that would work, unless they have triangulation data from cell towers.

I have heard claims that they can do it from the public wifi, but that would only give them which server they were logged into and not the specific position.
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I was under the impression they did. Could be wrong.
 
slyjoe said:
Just a nit. The base stations don't have the smarts - the central offices do. In general, a call is received by multiple towers at once; the central office obtains the data and determines how a call is handled. And even if you aren't on a call, the location services have to know where you are in case someone calls you.
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For the most part that is true.

A normal cell site/base station includes antennas, and a router that communicate to the CO and your phone. But the routers are not dumb by any means. The COs are just other routers that automatically determine call routing. These central routers are attached to servers that logged the calls as well as other data such as GPS info.
 
acbytesla said:
For the most part that is true.

A normal cell site/base station includes antennas, and a router that communicate to the CO and your phone. But the routers are not dumb by any means. The COs are just other routers that automatically determine call routing. These central routers are attached to servers that logged the calls as well as other data such as GPS info.
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They're a little more complicated than servers due to the real time nature of some of their functions. I used to design BSCs.
 
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acbytesla said:
Retired Air Force lieutenant colonel Larry Rendall Brock Jr. was identified as part of the mob in the Capitol.

Photographs appear show the man wearing tactical gear, including a helmet, and at one point holding zip ties. Other images appear to show another individual holding cable ties.

Pictures were taken of him outside Nancy Pelosi's office. He says he didn't enter but there are images of him leaving the office.

He also says he picked the zip ties off the floor and intended to give them to a police officer. Also, not believable.
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Conspiracy to commit kidnapping?

Might be tough to get a conviction, but it does seem fairly certain it's what he had in mind.

Except perhaps another possibility. Conspiracy to commit cosplay. He never actually expected to get into the Capitol. It's so difficult to know what these lunatics were actually thinking. That includes the one in the Oval Office.
 
Meadmaker said:
Conspiracy to commit kidnapping?

Might be tough to get a conviction, but it does seem fairly certain it's what he had in mind.

Except perhaps another possibility. Conspiracy to commit cosplay. He never actually expected to get into the Capitol. It's so difficult to know what these lunatics were actually thinking. That includes the one in the Oval Office.
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It's impossible to say what they were up to. Still the mob erected gallows outside the Capitol and at least 2 individuals had the big zip tie style handcuffs, and lots of people were asking where is Pence?

I believe that most of this group didn't have a clue what they were doing. That doesn't mean that some didn't have specific plans to apprehend members of Congress.
 
Meadmaker said:
Conspiracy to commit kidnapping?

Might be tough to get a conviction, but it does seem fairly certain it's what he had in mind.

Except perhaps another possibility. Conspiracy to commit cosplay. He never actually expected to get into the Capitol. It's so difficult to know what these lunatics were actually thinking. That includes the one in the Oval Office.
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Charge em with conspiracy to piss me off. I want these ******** to rot in prison.
 
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