Cont: Trump’s Coup - Part 2

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Horatius said:
Moving the Inauguration would be a huge mistake, in that it it would be a huge symbolic win for the MAGAts: "Look at them running scared from us Patriots!" There have a been a lot of arrests the last two days, but you know there's still tens of thousands of like-minded idiots still out there.

As dangerous as it might be, Biden needs to stand in the exact place they tried to deny him, to show them that they failed to deny him that spot.

Every government employee in DC who carries a gun should be on duty, and the crowd allowed onto the Mall to watch the Inauguration will have to be extremely well vetted and searched, but a public Inauguration on the steps of the Capitol is absolutely essential at this moment.
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I thought it had already been decided to scale the inauguration right down because of the pandemic? Is it even going to be in the usual place?
 
Olmstead said:
I think the time for alternatives was at different points before the very last barricade. The mob should never have gotten that far, and someone needs to be held accountable for that.

Imagine an angry mob strolling through the White House, destroying everything around them, and then one of them breaks into the Oval Office and gets shot. No one would question it.
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I saw a video from when they broke through the first barricade. It was probably 100 yds or more in front of the capital.

By the time they got to the steps, the riot squad should have been there.

That video of when they were at the gates on the steps is at least checkpoint 2
 
alfaniner said:
If there is a counter-protest to the re-insurgence, it may get totally out of hand. I for one think the Inauguration will take place somewhere else, maybe planned ahead but more likely not announced beforehand.
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No.No.No.
That would be handing the insurgence a huge victory.
Biden must be inaugruated at the the Capitol on Jan 20;if that means turning Capitol Hill into an armed camp so be it.
And if it takes Napoleon's '"Whiff of grapeshot" to keep the mob at bay, so be it.
Our deomcracy is at stake. Extreme measures might be necessary to preserve it.
To move Biden's inaugration to a private place would be a surrunder.
 
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pgwenthold said:
I saw a video from when they broke through the first barricade. It was probably 100 yds or more in front of the capital.

By the time they got to the steps, the riot squad should have been there.

That video of when they were at the gates on the steps is at least checkpoint 2
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Too bad Napoleon was not in charge. He knew how to disperse a mob trying to storm a plece where a ligislature was meeting....
 
Planigale said:
That is where we have a difference. You think breaking the law sufficient reason to kill someone. I do not.
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Quick question: what did she have in her backpack?

She wasn't "breaking the law" she was trying to break into the chambers where leaders of our federal government were sequestered. She was carrying a large pack on her back.

She was actively attacking congress.

That's a little more than "breaking the law." It's not like she was jaywalking.
 
Horatius said:
Moving the Inauguration would be a huge mistake, in that it it would be a huge symbolic win for the MAGAts: "Look at them running scared from us Patriots!" There have a been a lot of arrests the last two days, but you know there's still tens of thousands of like-minded idiots still out there.

As dangerous as it might be, Biden needs to stand in the exact place they tried to deny him, to show them that they failed to deny him that spot.

Every government employee in DC who carries a gun should be on duty, and the crowd allowed onto the Mall to watch the Inauguration will have to be extremely well vetted and searched, but a public Inauguration on the steps of the Capitol is absolutely essential at this moment.
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100% agree.

These scumbags have gotten enough of a victory out of this already. No need to give them another one.

If we can call in overwhelming militarized force to protect statues, we can do the same for a Presidential Inauguration.
 
dudalb said:
I also think the FBI had heard a lot of talk on the internet before;it had been mostly hot air and they assumed the same this time. I think they expected some disturbance; but something like the summer's protest;that they would never actully attempt to storm the Capitol.
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An ex-FBI official discussed this on MSNBC. He said the U.S. does not have a domestic terrorism statute. It is not allowed to monitor U.S. social media unless it is investigating a specific crime. It can't do what we all do with Facebook or Twitter, and what the FBI routinely does with foreign actors. The interviewer said "But can't you just read this stuff?," and the guy basically said "Sure, but we can't report it or act on it."

Sounds like one of the first bills the new Congress should consider.
 
twinstead said:
I don't normally come out and actually post stuff, but this is a really good post
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One way to unite the country is to bring them together against a common enemy.

I'd like to think that "government officials who incite insurrection" would be a good example.

There are those who do not agree.
 
Bob001 said:
An ex-FBI official discussed this on MSNBC. He said the U.S. does not have a domestic terrorism statute. It is not allowed to monitor U.S. social media unless it is investigating a specific crime. It can't do what we all do with Facebook or Twitter, and what the FBI routinely does with foreign actors. The interviewer said "But can't you just read this stuff?," and the guy basically said "Sure, but we can't report it or act on it."
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Can they act on it if a citizen contacts them with that information?
 
Two Seattle police officers are on leave now as they were in DC for the riots.

Also a Pittsburgh area police officer is under investigation. His department has said he was not a part of the mob that stormed the Capitol.

Really a mistake for them just to take their officer's word on something like this. I mean seriously, how would they know at this point? Much better for them to be non-committal until later.
 
timhau said:
Can they act on it if a citizen contacts them with that information?
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I don't recall that being asked. I would think it might depend on how specific the threat is, and whether the party making the threat is identifiable.
 
Pixel42 said:
I thought it had already been decided to scale the inauguration right down because of the pandemic? Is it even going to be in the usual place?
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The plan has been no crowds,but it was always intended to be in front of the US Capitol, the traditional place to hold it.
And it has become a matter of the utmost importance that it be held there. We cannot allow a fascist mob is intimidate us.
Yes, I think there will be violence if the inaugration is held in front of the Capitol building. But there are times when avoiding violence is not the most important thing;this is one of them.
 
acbytesla said:
Two Seattle police officers are on leave now as they were in DC for the riots.

Also a Pittsburgh area police officer is under investigation. His department has said he was not a part of the mob that stormed the Capitol.

Really a mistake for them just to take their officer's word on something like this. I mean seriously, how would they know at this point? Much better for them to be non-committal until later.
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ANy lawenforcement who particpated in the insurrection should be fired if it can be proven.
No excuses acceptable.
And I am more sympathetic to the police then many here.
 
dudalb said:
Yes, I think there will be violence if the inaugration is held in front of the Capitol building. But there are times when avoiding violence is not the most important thing;this is one of them.
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"There's nothing wrong with shooting, so long as the right people get shot."

- Detective Harry Callaghan
 
dudalb said:
ANy lawenforcement who particpated in the insurrection should be fired if it can be proven.
No excuses acceptable.
And I am more sympathetic to the police then many here.
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SPD made a statement that they support everyone's right to free speech, but that if it is discovered that the officers committed violence or entered the Capitol, they will be fired.
 
acbytesla said:
SPD made a statement that they support everyone's right to free speech, but that if it is discovered that the officers committed violence or entered the Capitol, they will be fired.
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Shouldn't there be equal concern that people who would travel all the way across the country for a lame duck Trump rally are almost certainly people who believe that Trump won the election and/or that Biden should not be inaugurated?
 
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