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Cont: Trump’s Coup - Part 2

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Upchurch said:
I know Cain is just being Cain, but it always astounds me when people are surprised that the least popular, least approved of, president in modern history failed to win reelection.

Just because a minority of people really, really like a candidate, that doesn't mean a majority of people voted for him.
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Yeah, he was so unpopular that only 74 million voted for him. :rolleyes:
 
Upchurch said:
I know Cain is just being Cain, but it always astounds me when people are surprised that the least popular, least approved of, president in modern history failed to win reelection.
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I wouldn't get too carried away - Biden's gone from +20 to -8 in only 11 months. He could easily end up with worse numbers than the orange clown.

Which yet again, speaks volumes about the Democratic Party.
 
Don't we usually get chastised for bringing up the popular vote for both Clinton and Biden? I guess it's only bad when Democrats do it.
 
The Atheist said:
I wouldn't get too carried away - Biden's gone from +20 to -8 in only 11 months. He could easily end up with worse numbers than the orange clown.

Which yet again, speaks volumes about the Democratic Party.
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He could, but as of right now he is still has a higher approval rating than Trump did at this point in his term.
 
dudalb said:
Only thing you have aginas the Jan 6th uprising was that is failed.......

If it had been left wing extremists, you would be yelling for mass executions.
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Exactly.

I ask my Dad, "What would you think if Hillary or Obama made these claims about the election, supported a coup attempt and installed a Supreme Court Justice a week before an election? If your answer is different then you have some explaining to do to yourself"

By the way, you missed a "v"! :thumbsup: :D
 
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The_Animus said:
Coups aren't a real thing you see. Not once in history has a coup come to be. If it didn't succeed then it wasn't a coup. If it did, they were the rightful ones to rule. That's what the men in charge told me. After they took control violently.
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I think Saddam Hussein's 1979 purge is one of the few that you can say it was at this moment the usurper seized power. He even had it on tape.

I think many MAGA fascists would love to have something like that right now.
 
Roger Ramjets said:
How so?
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I'm not entirely sure but......

There's a claim among progressives that Biden's slide in the polls is largely due to the fact that he didn't get his $7tn bill passed and that he hasn't managed to get legislation through to protect democracy.

ISTM that the biggest single barrier to this were two senators who are nominally Democrats but seem to behave (and vote) like Republicans. I'm not sure how having a more Progressive platform would have helped :confused:
 
Roger Ramjets said:
How so?
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They keep choosing the best of a bad bunch instead of the best. Clinton was always an insane choice and Biden only won because he was up against the worst president you've ever had.

The Democrats threw away 8 years of Obama and made no effort at all to secure the future, all the while sticking with the revolting Pelosi-Wall-St-Whore as their House leader.

But it's ok, you're not alone, the left/centre left parties in Australia and UK also keep selecting morons to lead them and continue to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
 
The Don said:
I'm not entirely sure but......

There's a claim among progressives that Biden's slide in the polls is largely due to the fact that he didn't get his $7tn bill passed and that he hasn't managed to get legislation through to protect democracy.

ISTM that the biggest single barrier to this were two senators who are nominally Democrats but seem to behave (and vote) like Republicans. I'm not sure how having a more Progressive platform would have helped :confused:
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So shouldn't the DNC be supporting Democrats to run against Sinema and Manchin? If they really are DINOs then the Dems would be no worse off. Indeed it might encourage others if they see some sort of resistance to the corporate side of the party.
 
Parsman said:
So shouldn't the DNC be supporting Democrats to run against Sinema and Manchin? If they really are DINOs then the Dems would be no worse off. Indeed it might encourage others if they see some sort of resistance to the corporate side of the party.
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Quite possibly.

AIUI Sinema ran as a progressive and then did a volte face once she got to Washington.

Manchin is absolutely a DINO (IIRC he's a former Republican).
 
The Atheist said:
They keep choosing the best of a bad bunch instead of the best. Clinton was always an insane choice and Biden only won because he was up against the worst president you've ever had.

The Democrats threw away 8 years of Obama and made no effort at all to secure the future, all the while sticking with the revolting Pelosi-Wall-St-Whore as their House leader.

But it's ok, you're not alone, the left/centre left parties in Australia and UK also keep selecting morons to lead them and continue to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
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It's the same in the UK (a Tony Blair wannabe) and in India. In the northern states (luckily, in the southern states regional parties are still pretty strong), Congress party leaders (primary opposition to Modi and the BJP) are often those who would drop verything and jump over to the saffronite fascists if they saw it would personally benefit them.
 
The Don said:
There's a claim among progressives that Biden's slide in the polls is largely due to the fact that he didn't get his $7tn bill passed and that he hasn't managed to get legislation through to protect democracy.
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Not just the failure to pass the bill, but the refusal to put any effort into it and at least be seen trying (and failing if that's what happens), plus the refusal to do executive things he doesn't need the Senate's permission for.

Parsman said:
So shouldn't the DNC be supporting Democrats to run against Sinema and Manchin?
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Manchin had a primary challenger from the left last time. I don't recall the details right now, but, if's it's like most other cases in which that's happened involving other corporatist incumbents, the party turned every knob they could in Manchin's favor to squash the evil leftist upstart. At the very least, even if no other tinkering with the mechanisms was done, the ELU is pretty much guaranteed to have been buried under a mountain of Manchin money by about 10:1. Don't let the party's refusal to ever fight Republicans trick you into thinking they can't fight at all. They just save it for those whom they've decided are their real enemy.

Parsman said:
If they really are DINOs then the Dems would be no worse off. Indeed it might encourage others if they see some sort of resistance to the corporate side of the party.
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The corporate side is practically the whole party, especially those in power. He's really not very different from them, so they're not particularly opposed to him. Calling corporatists "DINOs" is to a large extent a matter of comparing them with what the party is supposed to be, and what its voter base is and wants, not with what most of the politicians in the party actually are.
 
Seem to remember the same thing about Sinema. Manchin has always just seemed like a Republican light candidate to me since I became aware of him.
 
Thermal said:
A whole three, you say?

Here's a pack of 87 who were pushing a 2020 election conspiracy theory. Appeals to authority can bite ya in the ass sometimes.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/87-retired-generals-who-endorsed-a-false-conspiracy-theory-about-the-2020-election-call-on-defense-sec-lloyd-austin-and-gen-mark-milley-to-resign-over-the-afghanistan-withdrawal/ar-AANVGEn
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Breaking news: there are lots of military members who are right wing nut jobs. :rolleyes:

The opinions of anti-democracy advocates in no way offsets the three generals. It's hard to imagine opinions that are less valid.
 
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Thermal said:
A whole three, you say?

Here's a pack of 87 who were pushing a 2020 election conspiracy theory. Appeals to authority can bite ya in the ass sometimes.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/87-retired-generals-who-endorsed-a-false-conspiracy-theory-about-the-2020-election-call-on-defense-sec-lloyd-austin-and-gen-mark-milley-to-resign-over-the-afghanistan-withdrawal/ar-AANVGEn
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I checked out these characters further. Yup, to advance your argument that there was not a coup attempt, you have cited anti-democracy Trumpists.

Rank BS like this provides you with a prime opportunity to hop off that Skeptical High Horse and exercise your atrophied backtracking skills.
 
varwoche said:
I checked out these characters further. Yup, to advance your argument that there was not a coup attempt, you have cited anti-democracy Trumpists.

Rank BS like this provides you with a prime opportunity to hop off that Skeptical High Horse and exercise your atrophied backtracking skills.
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My point, should you trouble yourself to think about it for a split second, was that you claimed there was three...count them, three...retired generals who thought it was a coup. The clear implication was that being a retired general was more credible or authoritative.

My counterpoint was that here are 87 retired generals who are clearly cuckoo as a clock. Simply being a retired general does not give additional credibility or authority in this matter.
 
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