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Cont: Trump’s Coup - Part 2

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Thermal said:
Ahem.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=13349312#post13349312
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Yes, as it was happening, I described a violent mob of Trump supporters storming the Capitol to prevent the certification of the election as a "coup".

Just like if armed men charged into a bank with the intention to rob it, I would describe it as a "bank robbery", even if that robbery was ultimately foiled.

You on the other hand, after almost a year, still describe January 6th in way that feels like it was cribbed from Laura Ingraham:
Thermal said:
What did they do? Trashed the joint. Then what? Went home, and Congress went back to work.
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Coups aren't a real thing you see. Not once in history has a coup come to be. If it didn't succeed then it wasn't a coup. If it did, they were the rightful ones to rule. That's what the men in charge told me. After they took control violently.
 
The_Animus said:
Coups aren't a real thing you see. Not once in history has a coup come to be. If it didn't succeed then it wasn't a coup. If it did, they were the rightful ones to rule. That's what the men in charge told me. After they took control violently.
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That fairly well sums up the Republican position, too.
 
Everyone criticizes Trump's coup attempt, but the media's so dishonest that they never talk about the ratings. Nobody ever cared about January 6th until Trump came along.
 
A sane person would say that in mockery, but Trump actually did recently seriously whine that there wasn't enough attention on just how many people were there and how great it means he must have been as the motivator for so many people.
 
Warp12 said:
This sounds like a well-organized and serious coup attempt, no doubt. Has anyone been hit with sedition charges, yet? What about the leader, Donald Trump?
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Only thing you have aginas the Jan 6th uprising was that is failed.......

If it had been left wing extremists, you would be yelling for mass executions.
 
Thermal said:
Which is not what I am saying, and have clarified repeatedly, much like I have painstakingly clarified that the end result has nothing to do with whether or not it was attempted.
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I don't see anything is gained by this stupid verbal game.
 
Some retired generals have written an article warning that if there's another coup attempt, some military members might participate this time (and bring their weapons & training with them), if the type isn't weeded out first.

They must be off their rockers. Obviously you can't have military participation "next time" there's "another" coup attempt "again", since there hasn't been a first one yet!
 
Delvo said:
Some retired generals have written an article warning that if there's another coup attempt, some military members might participate this time (and bring their weapons & training with them), if the type isn't weeded out first.

They must be off their rockers. Obviously you can't have military participation "next time" there's "another" coup attempt "again", since there hasn't been a first one yet!
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Trump's aggressive efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 election certainly qualifies as a coup attempt, even though it failed.
 
dudalb said:
If it had been left wing extremists, you would be yelling for mass executions.
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If Trump had won and Biden had refused to accept the result, and whipped up his supporters into invading the Capitol yelling for Pense's blood ...

This sort of counterfactual is hard to envisage because it's so bloody silly. Even if Trump had genuinely stolen the election which, unlike Biden doing so, is at least plausible, the idea of Biden whipping up a mob the way Trump did just makes me laugh.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
With Republicans explicitly abandoning democracy, I have very little hope for the foreseeable future, no matter who wins an election: since 2018 the latest, a much too large chunk of Americans no longer believes that elections are free and fair - and that won't change whether Trump wins or loses.
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That is why Russia and China sponsored so many useful idiots , Like Jerome Corsi , Alex Jones, and Donald Trump undermining A faith in elections was the primary goal and they have succeeded.
 
Pixel42 said:
This sort of counterfactual is hard to envisage because it's so bloody silly. Even if Trump had genuinely stolen the election which, unlike Biden doing so, is at least plausible, the idea of Biden whipping up a mob the way Trump did just makes me laugh.
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It's only ridiculous because Joe Biden couldn't fill a supermarket parking lot whereas president Trump drew massive crowds. Biden's inability to gather a huge, glorious mob strongly indicates his illegitimacy. After all, if he couldn't take over the country in a coup, then how could he have possibly won more votes in the Electoral College?
 
I know Cain is just being Cain, but it always astounds me when people are surprised that the least popular, least approved of, president in modern history failed to win reelection.

Just because a minority of people really, really like a candidate, that doesn't mean a majority of people voted for him.
 
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