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Trump's Coup d'état.

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dudalb said:
I would say if you said 80% of the American People would have no problem with an openly Nazi regime, that is being prety contemtopus of the American people.
I am beginning to get the sense that the political Left is above all criticism here. If
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That's literally the exact opposite of what he said.
 
acbytesla said:
If you read the 12th Amendment, it contains an elaborate description of the electoral vote process from the the certification to the EC meeting to how the documents are sealed. Why bother with all that in the text of the amendment if the VP can ignore all that in the count?
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It's clear much thought and legislative drafting has gone into preventing precisely what Trump wants Pence to do for him. And in the other corner, a suit by some bottom-feeding Republican pol. :covereyes
 
Ladewig said:
We are in the midst of the greatest health crisis in the past 100 years. Many respected health-care professionals believe that if people would wear masks, limit contacts, and wash their hands then we could save 100,000 lives or more. Yet we have millions of people who believe that wearing a mask is a political statement and that it represents political correctness gone mad. I’ve talked to people who sincerely believe that on January 21, the media-created COVID crisis will abruptly end.
After the Kool-Aid has been drunk, it cannot be undrunk.

I do not think that metaphor is too strong to describe this situation.
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Didn't many/most of these people predict the same for the day following the recent election?

I know a couple of otherwise pretty normal folk who did.
 
dudalb said:
I would say if you said 80% of the American People would have no problem with an openly Nazi regime, that is being prety contemtopus of the American people.
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The thing is, I just don't know anymore. Yes, it seems outrageous to say 80 percent of Americans are happy to go the way of Nazi Germany. I agree that this gives short shrift to the American people. But I never thought 74 million Americans would vote to keep Trump in office, having seen his performance in 2016-2020. So I don't pretend to know what is or isn't acceptable to the population at large. Eighty percent, no. 40-50 percent? Absolutely.
 
dudalb said:
I would say if you said 80% of the American People would have no problem with an openly Nazi regime, that is being prety contemtopus of the American people.
I am beginning to get the sense that the political Left is above all criticism here. If
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Why not respond directly to those people saying that? And scrolling through the comments, I notice that a number of people have responded to that claim, so your "sense" that the political Left is above all criticism here is simply wrong. In fact, there is literally nothing stopping you taking such claims and arguing against them with facts and figures.
 
dudalb said:
I would say if you said 80% of the American People would have no problem with an openly Nazi regime, that is being prety contemtopus of the American people.
I am beginning to get the sense that the political Left is above all criticism here. If
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I said 80% would object to an openly-Nazi regime replacing democracy.

I’ll listen to arguments asserting it would be 90%, but I really am not seeing much evidence that it would be higher than that.



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Remember, we are talking about a group which when polled, said that Christianity is the most discriminated-against religion and that whites are the most discriminated-against race.
 
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dudalb said:
I would say if you said 80% of the American People would have no problem with an openly Nazi regime, that is being prety contemtopus of the American people.
I am beginning to get the sense that the political Left is above all criticism here. If
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I would agree with that, but who claimed 80% of the American people would have no problem with an openly Nazi regime?
 
Minoosh said:
The thing is, I just don't know anymore. Yes, it seems outrageous to say 80 percent of Americans are happy to go the way of Nazi Germany. I agree that this gives short shrift to the American people. But I never thought 74 million Americans would vote to keep Trump in office, having seen his performance in 2016-2020. So I don't pretend to know what is or isn't acceptable to the population at large. Eighty percent, no. 40-50 percent? Absolutely.
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30%, no question. And that number would grow with time.
 
Ladewig said:
Yet we have millions of people who believe that wearing a mask is a political statement and that it represents political correctness gone mad. I’ve talked to people who sincerely believe that on January 21, the media-created COVID crisis will abruptly end.
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This is something my dad believed about the election and would keep mentioning. Now, after we had to cancel coming to visit for Xmas due to covid, as did many other people in my extended family, he's said he's tired of hearing about covid. To which I said, "but I thought you said we would stop hearing about it right after the election". He wasn't happy about that.
 
dudalb said:
I would say if you said 80% of the American People would have no problem with an openly Nazi regime, that is being prety contemtopus of the American people.
I am beginning to get the sense that the political Left is above all criticism here. If
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Your reading skills are... lacking.
 
Most nteresting thing about Hawley is he is going against Moscow Mitch; IHawlwy is beneath contempt but I wonder if a number of GOP senators are getting disgusted with Mitch's autocratic ways.
 
Firestone said:
There we go: Senator Hawley will object during Congress's counting of the Electoral College vote on Jan. 6.
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Hawley is *shudder* my Senator and he is an extreme opportunist. He backed the McCloskeys' without knowing the details. He'd sell them up the river in a heartbeat if it got him more news coverage.
 
I just checked Hawley's Facebook page. He wrote:
Following both the 2004 and 2016 elections, Democrats in Congress objected during the certification of electoral votes in order to raise concerns about election integrity.
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Is that true?

eta: apparently, it is. 2004 and 2016
 
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Upchurch said:
I just checked Hawley's Facebook page. He wrote:

Is that true?
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Errrr... sorta kinda not really maybe.

Democratic Representatives challenged 2001 and 2017, but no Senators did and both times the challenge didn't go to a vote. In 2005 two Democratic Representatives challenged and it did go to a vote, but vote came nowhere near passing.
 
Upchurch said:
Hawley is *shudder* my Senator and he is an extreme opportunist. He backed the McCloskeys' without knowing the details. He'd sell them up the river in a heartbeat if it got him more news coverage.
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He thinks this will make him a major power in the GOP, but I really doubt that. This will end up embrassing the GOP...Moscow Mitch knows that...and Hawley will go back being a back bench Senator not though highly of by his colleagues.
 
I do ever so much love how Mitch can just make votes that massive amounts of Republicans support not happen, but he can't stop one random Junior Senator from trying to stop the election.

How much power/influence Mitch has seems to be massively self serving.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Errrr... sorta kinda not really maybe.

Democratic Representatives challenged 2001 and 2017, but no Senators did and both times the challenge didn't go to a vote. In 2005 two Democratic Representatives challenged and it did go to a vote, but vote came nowhere near passing.
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I wonder if some Dems shouldn't challenge the results in some states where Trump won, particularly where the margins were close like NC and Florida. If there's going to be political theater, why should the Repubs have all the fun?
 
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