Trump's Coup d'état.

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Listen we don't have to split the hair or play "But both sides" game.

The Democrats, as wrong as they can be, have a basic grasp on reality as concept and aren't actively engage in open warfare with it.
 
Basically, GOP will go full fascist. Once they win - and they will inevitably win, be it in 2, 4, 6, 8.... years, you can say goodbye to what passes for democracy in USA.
This is why one of Biden's most important priorities should be to make sure elections are fair and all registered voters can vote easily. Despite the GOP's anti-democratic tendencies towards elections, demographic trends should help the Dems be able to prevent the presidency and the Congress from going full GOP.

I hope.
 
There's a better chance of the Democratic party kicking out all of the progressives they despise so much than Republicans kicking out the Trumpers.

I did not and do not envision the Republicans kicking out the Trumpers. It’s more the new MAGA Party would attack, alienate and disenfranchise anyone not as extreme as they are, a lá Kemp, Romney et al. “Traditional” Republicans would just be labeled RINO’s and untouchables.

I guess we’ll just have to see what happens!
 
the both sides are the same argument hasn’t had much merit for years

The Republican Troll farm has successfully sold a lot of people on the image that seeing one side as obviously better than other side is the same thing as saying you're side is perfect and has not flaws, but if you acknowledge any flaws in your side THEY will then use that to prove that "both sides are the same" because they pretend "distinctions" aren't a thing that exists.
 
So I thought I would take a dive into Twitter - something I don't often do - to see what people are yammering about.

It seems that the latest right-wheeze is to change their handles to things like:

President-Elect Dr. Pondscum

Stanley Kubrick's daughter, for example, who abandoned her family for Scientology decades ago.
 
the both sides are the same argument hasn’t had much merit for years

The Republican Troll farm has successfully sold a lot of people on the image that seeing one side as obviously better than other side is the same thing as saying you're side is perfect and has not flaws, but if you acknowledge any flaws in your side THEY will then use that to prove that "both sides are the same" because they pretend "distinctions" aren't a thing that exists.
 
Yeah I remember when the Tea Party was going to fracture the Republican Party.

The Republican Party has no standards, only one goal; obtaining power. They will not fracture.

Well, you might have said that about the UK Tory party but then along comes Nigel Farage with UKIP/The Brexit Party and steals their voters with a simplistic stand on a single issue. And the way they found to claw them back was to out-Brexit the Brexiteers. Steal their clothes and leave no point voting for them.

It may seem inconceivable now but things can change fast. If a MAGA party (or whatever) gains enough groundswell you can expect the Republicans to go more extreme on whichever issues most vex them, to capture their voters back.
 
I am amused and saddened that anyone thinks the dems are any different from the reps in terms of putting principle before power. No successful party puts ideology first. Only the likes of the libertarians and greens do that.

The Dems are generally paragons of integrity compared to their Trumpian counterparts.
 
Basically, GOP will go full fascist. Once they win - and they will inevitably win, be it in 2, 4, 6, 8.... years, you can say goodbye to what passes for democracy in USA.

And this is one the problems; total despair "we are going fascists and there is nothing we can do about it" attiude which seems to be "cool" and popular just plays into the extremists hands.
It has to be said; this teen age angst on steroids is helping to wreck this country.
Of course in some cases I suspect it's the old "acclearatoinst" theory at work:
"The Sooner we have fascism, the sooner we will have the revolution".That worked out great for the KPD in Germany in 1932...
 
And the party which represented whatever passed for his "politics" before Obama was elected.

Not really. I mean I don't remember any broad democratic support for the chinese governments handling of Tiananmen square, how it projected strength and was what a government should do.

I think it was more dealing with NYC politicians tended to be more democrats than republicans.
 
And this is one the problems; total despair "we are going fascists and there is nothing we can do about it" attiude which seems to be "cool" and popular just plays into the extremists hands.

So what do you suggest to seeing constant movement to fascism on the republican side and it costing them almost nothing. I hear more of my coworkers worried about Biden tanking the stock market than republican politicians supporting a coup.
 
Not really. I mean I don't remember any broad democratic support for the chinese governments handling of Tiananmen square, how it projected strength and was what a government should do.

I think it was more dealing with NYC politicians tended to be more democrats than republicans.

I grew up in NYC as Trump was becoming famous. Most of his stated positions, such as they were, were at least somewhat liberal, at least socially.
 
People forget, and it's both hilarious and depressing in hindsight now, but prior to his win Trump was such a weird choice for a Republican Candidate that legit conspiracy theories were starting to pop up that he was a plant, someone the Democrats convinced to run as a Republican to make a candidate so abjectly un-electable that Hillary would coast to a easy victory. Even Jeb Bush brought it up in serious, non-joking contexts.
 
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I grew up in NYC as Trump was becoming famous. Most of his stated positions, such as they were, were at least somewhat liberal, at least socially.

Like demanding the death penalty for the innocent central park 5?

What stated opinions did he make that were liberal?
 
Listen we don't have to split the hair or play "But both sides" game.

The Democrats, as wrong as they can be, have a basic grasp on reality as concept and aren't actively engage in open warfare with it.

Both sides are the same in one regard. A successful political party's first priority is gaining power. That is as true of the Dems as the Reps as the Tories as whatever successful political party you can name.

Unless you think the dems were all homophobes prior to about 2012 or so. Or that forgiving the debt of the top 1/3 of society is some kind of principled stand or the green new deal is some kind of environmental thing or bombing the hell out of Libya was principled or whatever. Political parties are never going to be more than the enemy or your enemy. Its remains baffling to me how many folks don't understand that.

Sure, the vast majority of the GOP has just rolled over for Trump and Trumpism, very little of which was in their platform prior to 2016. They are awful, I admit, but to the extent that Biden or Harris or any other Dem is a principled actor, That's just naive. Harris particularly was tough on crime long after it was justifiable, primarily because prison guard unions in CA are a powerful political force. Much more effective at lobbying that the private prison industry that is so vilified for lobbying for the same policies.

People forget, and it's both hilarious and depressing in hindsight now, but prior to his win Trump was such a weird choice for a Republican Candidate that legit conspiracy theories were starting to pop up that he was a plant, someone the Democrats convinced to run as a Republican to make a candidate so abjectly un-electable that Hillary would coast to a easy victory. Even Jeb Bush brought it up in serious, non-joking contexts.
Not everyone forgets that, its just that Trump is exactly what lefties and dems want republicans and conservatives to be. There hasn't been a GOP candidate since I've been voting that hasn't been called a racists or a crypto-fascist. Biden said Romney was going to put black people back in chains. Romney, about as milk toast and inoffensive of republican as can be. Lets not forget the outrage storm over his strapping a dog to his station wagon in the 80s back when I was riding around in the back of my parents truck in much less safe conditions.

Partisan politics is just silly and tribal, unfortunately its how we choose our leaders in about the most atavistic way possible.

Is politics and economic ideas are generally incoherent. He's a populist authoritarian with clearly anti-liberal economics(generally associated with liberals in the US) and he has expressed generally skeptical opinions of US military intervention overseas but like almost everything else, hasn't actually accomplished anything in that regard. He doesn't actually seem to care about social issues and to the extent he does, he's not a homophobe, was in favor of letting transgender folks use whatever bathroom they choose and pro-choice. But he doesn't care enough about any of that enough not to pander to the religious right.

He also signed the most liberal criminal just bill in the last 30 years.
 
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And I think the GOP suffering a fracture is a real possiblity. Trump just unloaded on McConnnell,and we now have a battle for leadership in the GOP.
 
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