Trump's Coup d'état.

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I once met someone who seriously believed that only landowners should be able to vote.
 
Cavemonster said:
Make the ID absolutely free, incredibly simple and easy to get for people who don't have cars and robustly fund advertising programs to remind people they need them many months ahead of voting and I'm on board.
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But that ruins the entire point! Anyone would be able to vote :covereyes !
 
d4m10n said:
Except for the whole constitutional amendment process, yeah.

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If states are seriously concerned about security issues, the natural choice would be a photo-based, federal ID, tracked using some biometrics system, available at every post office - along with mobile ID labs for every person who does not live close to a post office. The feds, of course, are the natural holder of all such info, and have resources to implement such matters. Every state need only use this ID method, along with federal systems, to implement such a check for free - and while security will always be a concern, this means it's also a concern now in the theoretical sense.

Really, I'm more concerned about hackers using such an ID system to scam any financial service that decides to freeride off this ID system (and this would happen), or some random dude that's mad that the local schools teaching evolution, than the international conspiracy involving the spirits of the dead that Toupee Fiasco's team is yammering about, but it's definitely a potential problem at the local level. But, each state could still be responsible for their own voting systems, so long as they met a federal standard, and could be enticed to implement it via financial assistance to implement the new standard. Thus, we still have 57 or so separate voting systems, one for each state or territory.

(The people whining about "voter fraud" would, of course, scream in horror at this idea, especially the federal ID part. They'll also use photo recognition on Facebook and let Google track what they buy, and will still howl about "voter fraud" in "the cities", because they're really just proto-fascists and white supremacists, but there you go, a theoretical response to a duplicitous complaint.)

Alas, you have very poor judgement.
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Makes more sense if "eligible" mean "white". But you knew that one.
 
Because of course: "Stephen Miller on Fox & Friends says "an alternative" group of electors is also voting today:
"As we speak, an alternate slate of electors in the contested states is going to vote and we are going to send those results to Congress.""

https://twitter.com/travisakers/status/1338484357389017090

Amazing none of the losers of the previous elections thought of that!
(Since 1876 anyway ...)
 
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Firestone said:
Because of course: "Stephen Miller on Fox & Friends says "an alternative" group of electors is also voting today:
"As we speak, an alternate slate of electors in the contested states is going to vote and we are going to send those results to Congress.""

https://twitter.com/travisakers/status/1338484357389017090

Amazing none of the losers of the previous elections thought of that!
(Since 1876 anyway ...)
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Do we have a sensible source on this? Who is appointing the slate of electors, and under what authority?
 
gnome said:
Do we have a sensible source on this? Who is appointing the slate of electors, and under what authority?
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If the 9/11 Truthers can have a Citizens' Grand Jury, then I suppose the Republican Party can have a Citizens' Electoral College. Neither would have any more authority than the appeal to a group of deranged conspiracy theorists.

Dave
 
gnome said:
Do we have a sensible source on this? Who is appointing the slate of electors, and under what authority?
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The source on what?

That Miller said it: see the video embedded in the linked tweet.
That it could work: no, it can't. Trump can name all the electors he wants in any state he wants, their vote is worthless without the "Certificate of Ascertainment" signed by the Governor.

From an official source, US Archives:
Mid-November through December 14, 2020

After the presidential election, the Governor of your State prepares seven Certificates of Ascertainment. “As soon as practicable,” after the election results in your State are certified, the Governor sends one of those original Certificates of Ascertainment to the Archivist.

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December 14, 2020—electors vote in their States

The electors meet in their respective States and vote for President and Vice President on separate ballots. The electors record their votes on six Certificates of Vote, which are paired with the six remaining Certificates of Ascertainment. The electors sign, seal, and certify six sets of electoral votes. A set of electoral votes consists of one Certificate of Ascertainment and one Certificate of Vote.

https://www.archives.gov/electoral-college/key-dates
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Firestone said:
Because of course: "Stephen Miller on Fox & Friends says "an alternative" group of electors is also voting today:
"As we speak, an alternate slate of electors in the contested states is going to vote and we are going to send those results to Congress.""

https://twitter.com/travisakers/status/1338484357389017090

Amazing none of the losers of the previous elections thought of that!
(Since 1876 anyway ...)
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I didn't hear of any state legislatures doing this. Therefore, nonsense.
 
Alternative electors will create an alternative narrative with an alternative set of facts which then will be presented as "a valid alternative way to looking at it."

The fact that it isn't happening, indeed the fact that it couldn't happen, is beyond the point.

"What can or is happening" is a fact. Those don't exist anymore. The only thing that counts is who can tell the better story.
 
Firestone said:
The source on what?

That Miller said it: see the video embedded in the linked tweet.
That it could work: no, it can't. Trump can name all the electors he wants in any state he wants, their vote is worthless without the "Certificate of Ascertainment" signed by the Governor.

From an official source, US Archives:
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More wanting a source besides Miller that anyone is in fact "appointing" alternate electors... curious who specifically is "appointing" these electors and what authority they CLAIM. I'm aware they have no real authority.
 
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gnome said:
More wanting a source besides Miller that anyone is in fact "appointing" alternate electors... curious who specifically is "appointing" these electors and what authority they CLAIM. I'm aware they have no real authority.
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I have no other source than Miller. We'll see if he was making it up (I know, quite inconceivable) or not.

Anyway, its 3-0 for Biden in the EC right now (Vermont voted). https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/12/14/us/elections/electoral-college-results.html

STOP THE COUNT!!!
 
Meadmaker said:
CNN has a page that looks like it's reporting electoral votes live, as they happen. Right now it shows Biden 3, Trump 0. (Vermont is the first state to report.)
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I just looked, and it showed 22 to Trump and 7 to Biden. And yet we're supposed to believe that this clear indication of an advantage of three votes to Trump for every single vote Biden gets will somehow stop midway while the Democrats figure out how many votes they need, and then will magically award the result to Biden? I mean, these Democrats are so brazen about faking the election that they've even announced in advance how many votes they're going to get!

By tomorrow, I fear the above may no longer be satire.

Dave
 
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