Trump's Coup d'état.

[Hercules56]

None of the electors are going to be thrown out.

I tend to agree.

The best case they have is to throw out all the late absentee ballots in PA, but even that doesn't flip the win to Trump.

The only way Biden does not win, is if we believe the insane/paranoid/baseless theories of Rudy & Powell, and that will not happen.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Donald Trump's whole shtick has been to do something more outrageous every time either the walls close around him (in order to distract from the thing we were outraged about first) or when ever he's just bored or feel like he's not getting enough attention.

Again I'm not seeing Trump "going away" in any variation of this.

And I'm not looking forward to what Trump is going to do to distract form him attempting a coup is going to be.

 

[acbytesla]

I tend to agree.

The best case they have is to throw out all the late absentee ballots in PA, but even that doesn't flip the win to Trump.
The only way Biden does not win, is if we believe the insane/paranoid/baseless theories of Rudy & Powell, and that will not happen.

They can't even do that. There isn't an active election challenge ongoing in the US at this moment. There is a really dumb case ongoing in the Wisconsin Supreme Court. All 50 Sates and the District of Columbia have certified their results. That includes the 306 Electors promised to Joe Biden.

By 5:00 Eastern time tomorrow they all will have cast their ballots.

 

[Mumbles]

The main difference is that they have gone from (transparent) whistle blowing to saying the thing out loud.

I'm still not sure whether that is due to:
1) The Trump epiphenomenon
2) The US is slowly slipping away from them, hence the desperation
3) They feel that they are close to clinching power for decades (the Bannon theory)

The mere embrace of an overt bigot like Dolt 45 suggests the former.

More to the point, expect them to continue nodding towards other bigots, doing everything they can to prevent nonwhite people from voting, and the like, going forward.

 

[Firestone]

How do you count the PA case that was dismissed by the District Court judge and appealed to SCOTUS?

My guess is that Marc Elias, who maintains this score, counts this as one.

 

[Firestone]

The mere embrace of an overt bigot like Dolt 45 suggests the former.

More to the point, expect them to continue nodding towards other bigots, doing everything they can to prevent nonwhite people from voting, and the like, going forward.

And if one of them, for whatever reason, does the right thing, we get this amazing confession:

Why is Georgia Secretary of State Raffensperger working so hard to add drop boxes and take other steps to make it harder for Republicans to win. Is he really that intimidated by Stacey Abrams?

https://twitter.com/newtgingrich/status/1338189444311101441?s=19

 

[turingtest]

The mere embrace of an overt bigot like Dolt 45 suggests the former.

More to the point, expect them to continue nodding towards other bigots, doing everything they can to prevent nonwhite people from voting, and the like, going forward.

Like Rep. Mo Brooks of Alabama, who plans to challenge the Electoral vote in the House (link is to AL.com)-

“We have a superior role under the Constitution than the Supreme Court does, than any federal court judge does, than any state court judge does,” Brooks said in an interview. “What we say, goes. That’s the final verdict.”

All those angry "the media doesn't get to pick the president!" blurbs were apparently just the lead-up to "and neither do the voters!"

But the really good part is his "reasoning" behind all this-

“My No. 1 goal is to fix a badly flawed American election system that too easily permits voter fraud and election theft,” Brooks told the paper. “A possible bonus from achieving that goal is that Donald Trump would win the Electoral College officially, as I believe he in fact did if you only count lawful votes by eligible American citizens and exclude all illegal votes.”

"Possible bonus"- uh huh, pull the other one. He's also said, quoted here (Newsweek)-

"In my judgment, if only lawful votes by eligible American citizens were cast, Donald Trump won the Electoral College by a significant margin, and Congress' certification should reflect that," Brooks said in a phone interview reported by Politico. "This election was stolen by the socialists engaging in extraordinary voter fraud and election theft measures."

Note how neatly he combines two current GOP memes into one, without offering any evidence that either thing is true, much less the mashup he's created- that there was "easy" and "extraordinary" voter fraud, and that a significant amount of it was due to teh illegalz. Since he doesn't need to offer any evidence to the House to back his objection, he's all good there. And, of course, it goes without saying that the people in Alabama that he's really aiming this at are not going to ask for any evidence for it, so he's even better off there- he can win re-elections long into the foreseeable future just on the strength of "I tried to stop the soshalust steal!" in Alabama.

 

[Stacyhs]

Somehow a socialist, even if an American citizen, cannot cast a legal vote according to Mo Brooks? That's some thinking there, Mo.

 

[Norman Alexander]

He needs to be publicly challenged on his claims.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Newt must be senile to not understand what he just tweeted.

 

[turingtest]

And if one of them, for whatever reason, does the right thing, we get this amazing confession:

Quote:
Why is Georgia Secretary of State Raffensperger working so hard to add drop boxes and take other steps to make it harder for Republicans to win. Is he really that intimidated by Stacey Abrams?

https://twitter.com/newtgingrich/sta...311101441?s=19

Newt must be senile to not under stand what he just tweeted.

It's a well-known fact that Stacey Abrams made it illegal for Republicans to use drop boxes to cast their votes.

 

[Mumbles]

Like Rep. Mo Brooks of Alabama, who plans to challenge the Electoral vote in the House (link is to AL.com)-



All those angry "the media doesn't get to pick the president!" blurbs were apparently just the lead-up to "and neither do the voters!"

But the really good part is his "reasoning" behind all this-



"Possible bonus"- uh huh, pull the other one. He's also said, quoted here (Newsweek)-



Note how neatly he combines two current GOP memes into one, without offering any evidence that either thing is true, much less the mashup he's created- that there was "easy" and "extraordinary" voter fraud, and that a significant amount of it was due to teh illegalz. Since he doesn't need to offer any evidence to the House to back his objection, he's all good there. And, of course, it goes without saying that the people in Alabama that he's really aiming this at are not going to ask for any evidence for it, so he's even better off there- he can win re-elections long into the foreseeable future just on the strength of "I tried to stop the soshalust steal!" in Alabama.

Key figure in the GOP's degeneration into it's current "We hate whatever the dems like today" figure Newt Gingrich tweeted this garbage:

Why is Georgia Secretary of State Raffensperger working so hard to add drop boxes and take other steps to make it harder for Republicans to win. Is he really that intimidated by Stacey Abrams?

May as well type out "wink wink" there, Newt. I expect to see other key figures in the GOP's struggle against nonwhite voters (such as Kris Kobach, Hans von Sharkovsky, and likely J Christian Adams) to continue with their roles in this crap as well. If I were Abrams, I'd take it as a compliment to be seen as a key figure against their disenfranchisement efforts, though.

ETA: Didn't notice you there, Firestone.

 

[Norman Alexander]

My No. 1 goal is to fix a badly flawed American election system that too easily permits voter fraud and election theft. A possible bonus from achieving that goal is that Donald Trump would win the Electoral College officially, as I believe he in fact did if you only count lawful votes by eligible American citizens and exclude all illegal votes.

I think the US should work hard to help Mr Brooks achieve his goals.

For a start, legislate firmly against all that gerrymandering and other electorate-rigging shenanigans which disenfranchise millions of legal voters nationwide. A national electorate commission can help this happen, and they will use clear, understandable rules to enforce electorate mapping. All states will be treated the same, and no state will be any worse off than another.

Next, bring in a reliable national voter ID system which will ensure that only legal voters can vote, and only once. And this will also exclude all illegal voters. That way nobody can complain about "illegals" voting, or the dead walking to polling booths, or socialists.

Then have a national set of voting systems and rules, all agreed and proven incorruptible. Enforce them federally on all states, no exceptions. This ensures all federal elections are perfectly fair and cannot be stolen or even argued about. This should be easy. The US has the same federal currency nationwide. So implementing nationwide voting methods should be a piece of cake.

Lastly, drop the electoral college idea for electing a president. It has long outlived its purpose and no longer applies in the 21st century. Instead, a simple popularity vote should be all that is necessary. Most votes nationwide wins. Could not be easier or less argumentative, yes?

So everyone please help Mr Brooks with his dreams. I'm sure he will be so grateful.

In my judgment, if only lawful votes by eligible American citizens were cast, Donald Trump won the Electoral College by a significant margin, and Congress' certification should reflect that.

Alas, you have very poor judgement.

This election was stolen by the socialists engaging in extraordinary voter fraud and election theft measures.

Is that, like, a swear word with you??

 

[d4m10n]

The US has the same federal currency nationwide. So implementing nationwide voting methods should be a piece of cake.

Except for the whole constitutional amendment process, yeah.

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[Cavemonster]

Next, bring in a reliable national voter ID system which will ensure that only legal voters can vote, and only once. And this will also exclude all illegal voters. That way nobody can complain about "illegals" voting, or the dead walking to polling booths, or socialists.

Make the ID absolutely free, incredibly simple and easy to get for people who don't have cars and robustly fund advertising programs to remind people they need them many months ahead of voting and I'm on board.

 

[Trebuchet]

Make the ID absolutely free, incredibly simple and easy to get for people who don't have cars and robustly fund advertising programs to remind people they need them many months ahead of voting and I'm on board.

That would be democracy, which all Republicans know is a very bad thing. All kinds of undesirables would vote!
Wimmin, even! They might even vote at the wrong time of the month!

 

[Norman Alexander]

Except for the whole constitutional amendment process, yeah.

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Yeah, but Brooks wants nationwide voting methods that can't be corrupted. And as we know now, the constitution is secondary to what a GOP rep who supports Trump wants. Can't allow an old piece of paper to override his wishes. He would take it to the Supreme Court and get them to make the changes, surely.

 

[Norman Alexander]

Make the ID absolutely free, incredibly simple and easy to get for people who don't have cars and robustly fund advertising programs to remind people they need them many months ahead of voting and I'm on board.

They could enroll online, on their phone, for free.

Other countries seem to be able to manage it. Like this: https://www.aec.gov.au/ENROL/

 

[Norman Alexander]

That would be democracy, which all Republicans know is a very bad thing. All kinds of undesirables would vote!
Wimmin, even! They might even vote at the wrong time of the month!

And socialists! Socialist wimmin, even!

 

[Ladewig]

I think the US should work hard to help Mr Brooks achieve his goals.

For a start, legislate firmly against all that gerrymandering and other electorate-rigging shenanigans which disenfranchise millions of legal voters nationwide. A national electorate commission can help this happen, and they will use clear, understandable rules to enforce electorate mapping. All states will be treated the same, and no state will be any worse off than another.

Next, bring in a reliable national voter ID system which will ensure that only legal voters can vote, and only once. And this will also exclude all illegal voters. That way nobody can complain about "illegals" voting, or the dead walking to polling booths, or socialists.

Then have a national set of voting systems and rules, all agreed and proven incorruptible. Enforce them federally on all states, no exceptions. This ensures all federal elections are perfectly fair and cannot be stolen or even argued about. This should be easy. The US has the same federal currency nationwide. So implementing nationwide voting methods should be a piece of cake.

Given how much voting-machine makers donate to politicians, there will be a fair amount of pushback and squawking.

Also, Rhode Island and Wyoming have different needs.

Lastly, drop the electoral college idea for electing a president. It has long outlived its purpose and no longer applies in the 21st century.

About half the population assert that it has not outlived its purpose, i.e. a method of preventing the unwashed masses from deciding who should be president. As others point out, the Republicans will make it impossible to pass the necessary Constitutional amendment.