Trump's Coup d'état.

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Bob001 said:
He tried hard. You might recall that he talked about cancelling the election. Then the plan was to create enough doubt about election results in the swing states that the Repub legislators would reject the vote and appoint
Trump electors. The next plan was to create enough confusion that there wouldn't be an electoral college majority, throwing the election into the Repub- dominated House (one state, one vote). It was never very likely, but it was possible. If a few state and federal judges hadn't held firm, it might have happened.
https://www.nytimes.com/article/electors-vote.html
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Yep.
 
gnome said:
I have a feeling that whoever received the order would give him a dose of reality, and then suggest strongly they agree to "forget" he had ever asked.
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If they were to go along they risk being criminally charged and that takes a large degree of sycophant-ness.
 
ahhell said:
As long as it doesn't take to much effort or thought and somebody else will do the work and take the heat for him.

One of baffling things folks would cite as his good qualities was his masculinity. He literally has no qualities I regard as masculine.
Also the loyalty thing, he demands absolute loyalty and gives none.
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Well, he beat his ex-wife into a pulp, and then raped her. Does that count?
 
I'm sure the odds makers already have odds on when Barr gets the boot. I'm thinking they might be giving odds on if/when Rudy gets the nod as AGotUS as well.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Way to distort my moving quickly from Trump's attempt to it's time to stop worrying about this to claiming I said it was never a coup attempt. Or maybe you are talking about someone else?
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I think it would be Thermal who made the case that if you are not very good at trying to do a thing it shouldn't count as trying to do that thing. There may have been others. Hard to keep track.
 
trustbutverify said:
Yes, but I'm sure there are ways for rules and regulations to favor four main parties (debates, balloting structure, etc) that would greatly encourage a four party system. Renaming the two current majors might also help break the monopoly, along with new regulations concerning media coverage of primaries and other events.
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I'm trying to wrap my head around this. I think the parties are private entities, not governmental in nature at all. They named themselves. I don't know how what you're suggesting would work, but I might be missing something.

To me, the first step is to petition the states to change to Rank Choice. Second step would be changing campaign finance laws in some pretty drastic ways. I haven't really made it much further than that though...
 
Thermal said:
Because he is, let's face it, a pussy. He will bluster and bleat and demand and request and beg, but when it comes to actually gritting your teeth and doing something...well, he couldn't handle a 60 minutes interview without slinking away. This is not a strong man.
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So it's more of a coup de twat?
 
Emily's Cat said:
I'm trying to wrap my head around this. I think the parties are private entities, not governmental in nature at all. They named themselves. I don't know how what you're suggesting would work, but I might be missing something.

To me, the first step is to petition the states to change to Rank Choice. Second step would be changing campaign finance laws in some pretty drastic ways. I haven't really made it much further than that though...
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Alright, give me some time to wrap my head around my head, because I just thought of what would happen if my center left party won a presidential election with 27% of the total vote.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
And Sidney Powell retweeted this:

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I never imagined I’d live to see such as this in my lifetime.
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Dave Rogers said:
If he does, I'll be fascinated to see certain posters explain how this still isn't a coup.

Dave
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dudalb said:
I guess Flynn has forgotten that little oath he took when he got his US Army comission, the one where he swore to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
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dudalb said:
The US Military will refuse to carry out this order, guaranteed. AN order like this could not be more illegal.
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dudalb said:
MOst people in the Military would refust a order like Flynn suggests. It amounts to overthrowing the Constituion they are sworn to preserve, protect and defend.
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I'm a bit late chiming in, but: I think a good many far gone far right people believe that implementing martial law would be a means to DEFEND the constitution, as a way to adhere to that oath. The would not see this as an illegal order, they would view it instead as a holy, legal, and constitutional obligation, well in keeping with the oaths they took. I mean, that's the entire raison d'etre for the Oath Keepers group.

Keep in mind that many of these people believe that the Constitution was divinely inspired; they interpret it the same way religious people interpret all sorts of holy texts - with wild inconsistency. They've got a will to bend the interpretation as needed to fit the agenda. Even especially if the agenda appears contrary to the document at hand.

That said, it won't succeed. But we'll find ourselves surprised and disappointed at how many very powerful people swing that way. Flynn ain't the only general or veteran or bureaucrat who feels that way.
 
crescent said:
Keep in mind that many of these people believe that the Constitution was divinely inspired; they interpret it the same way religious people interpret all sorts of holy texts - with wild inconsistency. They've got a will to bend the interpretation as needed to fit the agenda. Even especially if the agenda appears contrary to the document at hand.
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If Trump tweeted that the US constitution was actually the result of a Masonic plot to capture the nation for the pedophilic elites, half of Fox news and a third of the country would instantly believe it.
 
I'm hoping that this attempted coup will backfire. It looks as if it will considering they're telling Trumpanzees not to vote in Georgia's special election unless the Presidential election is nullified.
 
Let's be honest, if someone suggested to Trump that he use martial law, there's a better than 50% chance his reaction would be "That was an okay TV show, but Walker, Texas Ranger was better. It got better ratings. Chuck Norris is a badass. He reminds me of me."
 
Armitage72 said:
Let's be honest, if someone suggested to Trump that he use martial law, there's a better than 50% chance his reaction would be "That was an okay TV show, but Walker, Texas Ranger was better. It got better ratings. Chuck Norris is a badass. He reminds me of me."
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Chuck Norris wants to be Trump.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
cosmicaug said:
https://www.yorkdispatch.com/story/news/2020/11/27/mastriano-says-legislature-should-overturn-trump-loss/6440328002/

Wow! So weird that, even when the futility of the gesture is clearer than ever before, this legislator does not seem to be afraid of wasting his political career by overturning the voters' choice in the state! Inconceivable!
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I don't recall I ever said there weren't wackos in state legislatures. In fact, I even mentioned one in my state (Shea) that was as nutty as they come.
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It's now actually 75 wackos in Pennsylvania who are requesting that an objection be sustained "to the Electoral College votes received from the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania during the Joint Session of Congress on January 6, 2021".
 
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