Trump's Coup d'état.

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Given that the argument seems to be that if it it doesn't work, or if it's stupid or if it's unlikely to work, it shouldn't count as a coup attempt, I don't see how nay of this changes the argument.
I'm only weighing in because I find it mildly amusing.

Its a bit like starving(until relatively recenlty, technically you can't be described as starving because starve means to perish from hunger so if you're still alive, we can't be sure if you're starving.

Coup is to overturn, so technically, its not a coup until it succeeds. And as we all know, the best kind of right is technically right.

Some what more serious, I'm not sure he's actually trying to overthrow the election, its just throwing **** around his cage and seeing what happens. I could be wrong, obviously. I am once again struck by a grandfather who's as petty as my four year old, maybe even more so.
 
I hope you are right.

There will be exceptions of course but in my experience, the vast majority of military folks take the oath and constitution quite seriously. I think, though primarily based on personal experience, you'll find most veterans and active duty types will agree with me.

Also, literally nobody in the military would respond to a tweet as an order.
 
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The Independent is carrying a story that Mo Brooks, an Arizona Congressman, is planning to challenge the Electoral College result in Congress (sorry for the lack of a link, it's not something I know how to do on my phone). Is he nutty enough to do it, and what kind of ************* will it stir up if he does?

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Alabama.

Here's a story from The Hill.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/528446-mo-brooks-planning-to-challenge-electoral-college-votes


This is really scary. It won't go anywhere, this time, but it will open the door. It's one thing to demand investigations, and fight for every vote, and do everything legal, but this is nothing short of a congressman saying, "I don't think we should pay attention to the counted votes. Let's ignore them and pick the President we want." This dude should be squashed like a bug. (Metaphorically)
 
The fact that the air force put up a no-fly zone over Biden the moment it looked like he would win is a strong indication that the Military is going to honor the election results.
 
If he does, I'll be fascinated to see certain posters explain how this still isn't a coup.

Dave

You are talking about a completely new situation. "Still" is not relevant.

Now we have this new group (has anyone ever heard of them before?) We The People Convention, WTPC, inciting Trump to attempt a coup for real. His other flailing could not be described as more than a Trump fantasy. Now we have Flynn and some TEA Party guy I never heard of before today encouraging Trump to attempt a real coup.

Just when it looked like Trump had moved into cleanup mode—pardon everyone, last minute grifting as much money as possible, and destroying incriminating records—we get Flynn Tweeting this **** in Trump's ear. That has the potential to set him off on a new path of "I didn't lose".

The military is not behind Trump. If there was a civil war the military would wipe the floor with the rag tag bunch of idiots who have been playing soldier in the woods. It would almost be worth it to clean the bulk of that mass out.

But instead this will serve to entice yet more random violence. It's unfortunate the news media is giving this so much attention. They could have covered it with a back page paragraph that it deserved. Or they could have covered it as nonsense that will set off more random violence rather than giving it credence. Some of the news agencies are attempting this to some degree.

Lawyers Condemn Michael Flynn and Lin Wood’s ‘Breathtakingly Morally Treasonous’ Call for Trump to Declare Martial Law and Hold New Election

The whole thing is nutty as all get off, with Trump's election loss being attributed to the Democrat communists/socialists and China who are all involved in some massive cabal that includes the FBI, the GOP leaders in GA, and anyone else who repeats the blasphemy that Trump lost. And let's not leave out the pedophilia ring that QAnon is apparently still touting.


So in summary:
A couple of Trump sycophants are egging Trump on.
Trump is susceptible to this kind of ◊◊◊◊—it fits his fantasy.
The news media can't resist a scandal, it's their business model so they are amplifying the suggestion.
An actual attempt to declare Martial Law requires more than Trump signing an EO.
Miller has replaced Esper because Esper wasn't doing Trump's bidding, and apparently Miller would need to go along with the EO, so that's an unknown.


But this source says Trump doesn't have the authority and there would need to be widespread civil unrest: Brennan Center for Justice
In Article I, Section 9 of the Constitution, it states that the habeas corpus shall not be suspended unless in cases of rebellion or invasion, when public safety requires it, Glazier said.

“There are two very, very important points to be taken from that language,’’ he said. “The first is that obviously it can only be done in very dire situations. There has to be an open rebellion or a foreign invasion to justify suspension of habeas corpus. It cannot be the dispute of the outcome of an election. Secondly, this is found in Article I and that describes the duties of Congress. It requires an act of Congress to suspend habeas corpus.”

That, he said, makes it easy to demonstrate that a U.S president does not have the legal authority to invoke martial law, or it would have been written in Article 2 of the Constitution.
 
Where in the hell is she getting the "eighty and more million"? Even to speak for the 74 million or so that voted for Trump and assume that they all want Trump to invoke the Insurrection Act, etc., is breathtaking gall; but she appears to have decided that, since Biden got 80+ million, she needs to claim at least that many. No, Sidney- that's the part you need to prove, not just assume, before you can use it to demand such drastic action. (And even then, it's not called for- if it were, then surely she'd agree that Clinton in 2016 had a basis for asking Obama to do the same)
Maybe in her CT the vote counts were completely switched so Biden's votes were really Trump's and vice versa. :boggled:
 
Given that the argument seems to be that if it it doesn't work, or if it's stupid or if it's unlikely to work, it shouldn't count as a coup attempt, I don't see how nay of this changes the argument.

Way to distort my moving quickly from Trump's attempt to it's time to stop worrying about this to claiming I said it was never a coup attempt. Or maybe you are talking about someone else?


Went back to see what I said: the state legislators were not going to overturn their state's voters and send Trump electors to the convention.

Coup is a fail.

Much worry-mongering ensued.

No state did overrule their state's voters.
 
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Because he is, let's face it, a pussy. He will bluster and bleat and demand and request and beg, but when it comes to actually gritting your teeth and doing something...well, he couldn't handle a 60 minutes interview without slinking away. This is not a strong man.

Yes, he's a bully and a coward, no question. But he'll try to get away with as much as he can.
 
Yes, he's a bully and a coward, no question. But he'll try to get away with as much as he can.

As long as it doesn't take to much effort or thought and somebody else will do the work and take the heat for him.

One of baffling things folks would cite as his good qualities was his masculinity. He literally has no qualities I regard as masculine.

Also the loyalty thing, he demands absolute loyalty and gives none.
 
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He tried hard. You might recall that he talked about cancelling the election. Then the plan was to create enough doubt about election results in the swing states that the Repub legislators would reject the vote and appoint
Trump electors. The next plan was to create enough confusion that there wouldn't be an electoral college majority, throwing the election into the Repub- dominated House (one state, one vote). It was never very likely, but it was possible. If a few state and federal judges hadn't held firm, it might have happened.
https://www.nytimes.com/article/electors-vote.html

A thin blue line.
 
Flynn ,by this statement, proves he is a enemy of the United States,and is urging the POTUS to commit an act of treason.
Flynn and the TEA Party guy are both inciting treason. I wonder if they'll ever suffer consequences?

Flynn is acting rather invincible at the moment.
 
Alabama.

Here's a story from The Hill.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/528446-mo-brooks-planning-to-challenge-electoral-college-votes


This is really scary. It won't go anywhere, this time, but it will open the door. It's one thing to demand investigations, and fight for every vote, and do everything legal, but this is nothing short of a congressman saying, "I don't think we should pay attention to the counted votes. Let's ignore them and pick the President we want." This dude should be squashed like a bug. (Metaphorically)
Let's not rush into anything.
 
So can somebody explain to me why Trump won't attempt some sort of coup-like thing when we have a vast body of examples of things he wouldn't, couldn't, can't, shouldn't, won't do, but yet did?

I contend that this latest voter fraud, fraud, is all about the grift, but if he could somehow, some way remain in office, it would be the grift that keeps on grifting. Plus, he remains immune to prosecutions.

If he goes off the cliff mad, he might try it.

There's a better chance he'll be convinced it will fail so he won't try it.

He no longer has the full power of a POTUS. It is way too late for something like this, declaring Martial Law with an EO or some other command, to succeed.

Who is going to back him up? He doesn't have an army. Now maybe he believes he is the Commander in Chief but the generals are not going to see it that way if he tries. Remember, it's already been shown very clearly that Biden won by a large margin.
 
Because he is, let's face it, a pussy. He will bluster and bleat and demand and request and beg, but when it comes to actually gritting your teeth and doing something...well, he couldn't handle a 60 minutes interview without slinking away. This is not a strong man.

This too.
 
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