Trump's Coup d'état.

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Emily's Cat said:
We might be passing in the night here.

Multiple Dem* candidates in the Dem primaries, but only people registered Dem** are allowed to vote, and the candidates are largely determined based on support from within the Dem party apparatus, and heavily influenced by wealthy and corporate interests.

At the end of the day, when we get to the general election, we're not voting on who the best person is for the job. We're making a choice between people who have been pre-selected by political parties, even if that's not representative of what most people want.


* Replace Dem with Rep and repeat the same sentence

**Some states don't require registration as a Dem to vote in the Dem primary, but each person is still only allowed to vote in one primary, not all of them.
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Get rid of the absurd electoral college. If enough voters feel that's not representative enough, double the major parties to 4.
 
trustbutverify said:
Get rid of the absurd electoral college. If enough voters feel that's not representative enough, double the major parties to 4.
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:confused: The number of parties isn't determined by regulation. There are a dozen or so political parties in the US, but only two have any actual power. That has nothing to do with the electoral college, it's a natural outcome of FPTP voting systems.
 
dudalb said:
Shades of Hitler turning on Himmler in his last days...
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You think this might be Trump's version of April 29th 1945?

Or that Barr might take a cyanide pill? I see Barr to be much more like Goring.
 
Emily's Cat said:
:confused: The number of parties isn't determined by regulation. There are a dozen or so political parties in the US, but only two have any actual power.
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Yes, but I'm sure there are ways for rules and regulations to favor four main parties (debates, balloting structure, etc) that would greatly encourage a four party system. Renaming the two current majors might also help break the monopoly, along with new regulations concerning media coverage of primaries and other events.
 
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trustbutverify said:
If you think things are muddled and confused now, wait until a series of runoffs join the fray.
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Ranked Choice doesn't result in a run-off as such. It's an automatic run off with the loser of the first round being dropped and their votes allotted to their second choice if no one has a majority of the votes. Rinse and repeat with their third choices and so on until one person has more than 50% of the total vote.
 
PhantomWolf said:
Ranked Choice doesn't result in a run-off as such. It's an automatic run off with the loser of the first round being dropped and their votes allotted to their second choice if no one has a majority of the votes. Rinse and repeat with their third choices and so on until one person has more than 50% of the total vote.
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I know what RC is and what it does. Wait till you see the insane conspiracy culture that comes out of that, once it's adopted here. It will make Trumpheads look downright rational.
 
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Emily's Cat said:
:confused: The number of parties isn't determined by regulation. There are a dozen or so political parties in the US, but only two have any actual power. That has nothing to do with the electoral college, it's a natural outcome of FPTP voting systems.
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trustbutverify said:
Yes, but I'm sure there are ways for rules and regulations to favor four main parties (debates, balloting structure, etc) that would greatly encourage a four party system. Renaming the two current majors might also help break the monopoly, along with new regulations concerning media coverage of primaries and other events.
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The electoral college would be revealed as even more absurd than it patently is if third parties genuinely made inroads in a presidential election. If nobody reached 270, and each election had to go to House to be decided, it would just reveal how undemocratic the whole thing is. In fact, there have even been attempts to go through the "back door" as it were by having a candidate get a small number of electoral college votes in the hope that the House prefers to compromise on this candidate.
 
angrysoba said:
The electoral college would be revealed as even more absurd than it patently is if third parties genuinely made inroads in a presidential election. If nobody reached 270, and each election had to go to House to be decided, it would just reveal how undemocratic the whole thing is. In fact, there have even been attempts to go through the "back door" as it were by having a candidate get a small number of electoral college votes in the hope that the House prefers to compromise on this candidate.
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No question. The EC goes first, as I posted earlier.
 
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angrysoba said:
The electoral college would be revealed as even more absurd than it patently is if third parties genuinely made inroads in a presidential election. If nobody reached 270, and each election had to go to House to be decided, it would just reveal how undemocratic the whole thing is. In fact, there have even been attempts to go through the "back door" as it were by having a candidate get a small number of electoral college votes in the hope that the House prefers to compromise on this candidate.
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I despise the EC. I definitely think it should be done away with. At a bare minimum, the automatic 2 EC votes from each state should be eliminated. I've said it for a while, we should abolish the EC and the Senate and put an end to gerrymandering.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
I think Barr is trying desperately to salvage his reputation.
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That's why he reminds me of Hermann Goering. Goering tried to negotiate a surrender with the West pretending he had nothing to do with the war crimes under Hitler. He thought he was going to meet with Eisenhower. When he got to American headquarters he was however arrested.
 
acbytesla said:
I despise the EC. I definitely think it should be done away with. At a bare minimum, the automatic 2 EC votes from each state should be eliminated. I've said it for a while, we should abolish the EC and the Senate and put an end to gerrymandering.
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I agree, but it ain't gonna happen. But there are ways to make it less obnoxious, alike splitting a states electorial votes amond the candidate according to how they do in the popular vote in that state, the way that Nebraska and Maine do.
 
acbytesla said:
That's why he reminds me of Hermann Goering. Goering tried to negotiate a surrender with the West pretending he had nothing to do with the war crimes under Hitler. He thought he was going to meet with Eisenhower. When he got to American headquarters he was however arrested.
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Himmler , of all people, tried pretty much the same thing, incredibly enough given that as head of the SS< he did the dirteiest of all Hitler's dirty work, and, after Hitler, #1 on tje Allied arrest for war crimes list.. People's ability to delude themselves is endless.
 
Emily's Cat said:
:confused: The number of parties isn't determined by regulation. There are a dozen or so political parties in the US, but only two have any actual power. That has nothing to do with the electoral college, it's a natural outcome of FPTP voting systems.
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the number of competitive parties is determined by the election system.
In first-past-the-post, it's two.
 
Newly pardoned Flynn is now boosting calls for Trump to declare martial law and order a re-election that would crown him eternal god-king.
 
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