Trump's Coup d'état.

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Emily's Cat said:
On the other hand, I don't like close primaries. I think that who runs for president should have the backing of the people in general, not just partisans. As an independent, I don't think I should be shut out of the earliest, most crucial stages of considering nominees. Nor do I think I should have to affiliate myself with a party that I don't actually approve of in order to have input.
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Your idea makes sense for an independent and no one else:

the general public has a say about who of the chosen candidates of the Parties they prefer.
If they get to vote twice, we might as well do away with all Primaries and just have Ranked Choice for everyone.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Your idea makes sense for an independent and no one else:

the general public has a say about who of the chosen candidates of the Parties they prefer.
If they get to vote twice, we might as well do away with all Primaries and just have Ranked Choice for everyone.
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Not a US citizen, but if I were, and given that some form of proportional representation doesn't look realistic in our lifetime, a 100 time this: "we might as well do away with all Primaries and just have Ranked Choice for everyone".

Maine and now Alaska showed the way (more or less anyway), 48 states to go ...
 
The Great Zaganza said:
the general public has a say about who of the chosen candidates of the Parties they prefer.
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That right there is the problem. The public isn't getting to vote for who they think should be president. They only get to vote for which of the party picks they want. And quite often, neither of the party picks is all that appealing.

The people aren't choosing a president. The Party Apparatuses and their Corporate Backers pick the two people that they want, and let the people decide between the giant douche and the **** sandwich.
 
Emily's Cat said:
That right there is the problem. The public isn't getting to vote for who they think should be president. They only get to vote for which of the party picks they want. And quite often, neither of the party picks is all that appealing.

The people aren't choosing a president. The Party Apparatuses and their Corporate Backers pick the two people that they want, and let the people decide between the giant douche and the **** sandwich.
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I seem to recall more than 2 candidates in the primaries for the Dems this year, and for the Reps in 2016, and even for the Dems in 2016, and for the Reps in 2012, etc.
 
Apparently a coup is still possible.

How Trump's Hill allies could take one last shot to overturn the election [politico.com]
President Donald Trump's arsenal for overturning the election will soon be down to one final, desperate maneuver: pressing his Republican allies on Capitol Hill to step in and derail Joe Biden’s presidency.

Although the Electoral College casts the official vote for president on Dec. 14, it’s up to Congress to certify the results a few weeks later. And federal law gives individual members of the House and Senate the power to challenge the results from the floor — a rarely used mechanism meant to be the last of all last resorts to safeguard an election.

But several House Republican lawmakers and aides now tell POLITICO they’re considering this option to aid Trump’s quest.

“Nothing is off the table,” said Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.).
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Dave Rogers said:
True, but requiring voters to register ab initio as Democrat, Republican or Independent seems to give a strong message that there can only be two legitimate parties.

Dave
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You can register in any number of parties. Be careful though, Independent is an actual party. If you don't want to be in a party register as unaffiliated. Most don't have primaries because why bother.
 
eerok said:
Apparently a coup is still possible.

How Trump's Hill allies could take one last shot to overturn the election [politico.com]
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Gaetz pointed out that in January 2017, a handful of House Democrats took this precise procedural step before their efforts flamed out during a joint session of Congress presided over by none other than Biden, then the outgoing vice president.
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I'd be surprised if goes even that far this time, but I've been surprised a few times in the last 5 years.
 
Emily's Cat said:
That right there is the problem. The public isn't getting to vote for who they think should be president. They only get to vote for which of the party picks they want. And quite often, neither of the party picks is all that appealing.

The people aren't choosing a president. The Party Apparatuses and their Corporate Backers pick the two people that they want, and let the people decide between the giant douche and the **** sandwich.
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That's a much better description of how parliamentary systems work than the US system.

The primaries allow democratic election of the part's candidates. That almost never happens in Parliamentary systems.
 
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Is Trump going to turn on Barr now?

I see that AG Barr has now come out and said that the Justice Department has not uncovered widespread fraud.

I guess he goes on the Trumpalos death list.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
You posted that as a joke, right?

No one takes Gaetz seriously.
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No secret that many GOP house members consider Gaetz to be an idiot.

I have seen no other politcal reporter consider this a realistic possiblity;I call "Click Bait" on that article.
 
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wareyin said:
I seem to recall more than 2 candidates in the primaries for the Dems this year, and for the Reps in 2016, and even for the Dems in 2016, and for the Reps in 2012, etc.
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We might be passing in the night here.

Multiple Dem* candidates in the Dem primaries, but only people registered Dem** are allowed to vote, and the candidates are largely determined based on support from within the Dem party apparatus, and heavily influenced by wealthy and corporate interests.

At the end of the day, when we get to the general election, we're not voting on who the best person is for the job. We're making a choice between people who have been pre-selected by political parties, even if that's not representative of what most people want.


* Replace Dem with Rep and repeat the same sentence

**Some states don't require registration as a Dem to vote in the Dem primary, but each person is still only allowed to vote in one primary, not all of them.
 
Firestone said:
Not a US citizen, but if I were, and given that some form of proportional representation doesn't look realistic in our lifetime, a 100 time this: "we might as well do away with all Primaries and just have Ranked Choice for everyone".

Maine and now Alaska showed the way (more or less anyway), 48 states to go ...
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If you think things are muddled and confused now, wait until a series of runoffs join the fray.
 
Emily's Cat said:
We might be passing in the night here.

Multiple Dem* candidates in the Dem primaries, but only people registered Dem** are allowed to vote, and the candidates are largely determined based on support from within the Dem party apparatus, and heavily influenced by wealthy and corporate interests.

At the end of the day, when we get to the general election, we're not voting on who the best person is for the job. We're making a choice between people who have been pre-selected by political parties, even if that's not representative of what most people want.


* Replace Dem with Rep and repeat the same sentence

**Some states don't require registration as a Dem to vote in the Dem primary, but each person is still only allowed to vote in one primary, not all of them.
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I don't think anyone can say that Donald Trump was pre-selected by his political party.

Unfortunately, Hillary Clinton was.
 
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