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Trump's Coup d'état.

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Emily's Cat said:
No, you're extrapolating here. People voting for Trump to be president doesn't in any fashion imply that those people would support him illegally hanging on to the position in opposition to a legitimate election.
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And yet his approval rating has improved since the election.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

If there were any truth to your suggestion, clearly his ratings would have tanked, and we see the exact opposite.

They don't see it as illegal, either.

Skeptic Ginger said:
You'll figure it out.
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Ah, so much easier than presenting evidence.

You claim Trump's support is shrinking, using the exact same amount of evidence behind Trump's lawsuits - zero.

If you don't wish to just retract your claim, present evidence that shows there's any shrinkage to his support.

Remember, this is a bloke who has openly and proudly claimed to pay as little tax as possible, admitted to sexual assault, abused a Gold Star family and enabled Proud Boys and racists, among a huge litany of crimes again mankind. Why do you think these people who have stuck with him all the way will suddenly desert him?

They believe what he's saying about the election being stolen and will continue to support him, and going by the early poll results, possibly even more than they did last month.
 
Apparently only 50% of each donation to his vote-counting fund goes towards the actual vote-counting fund. The rest, IIRC, goes to retiring his election debts. Which is probably exactly why he's doing all this. He just wants to vacuum up all the money he can before he slinks off.
 
deadrose said:
Apparently only 50% of each donation to his vote-counting fund goes towards the actual vote-counting fund.
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That only applies to those donations over $8000. Under that amount, none of it goes his vote-counting fund.
 
deadrose said:
Apparently only 50% of each donation to his vote-counting fund goes towards the actual vote-counting fund. The rest, IIRC, goes to retiring his election debts. Which is probably exactly why he's doing all this. He just wants to vacuum up all the money he can before he slinks off.
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The way I read it, it was 60% for his campaign debts and 40% for his 2024 campaign. None of the lawsuits are actually being filed by him, so they'd be paid by the RNC and others. I don't think he's paying for any recounts, either. Looks like a pure cash grab. He'll pocket whatever he can.
 
Roger Ramjets said:
Not sure what you mean, but republicans taking a while to accept the reality of a Biden presidency is not something we have to worry about. A few nutjobs who were always around? Perhaps. Trump and his minions? Definitely. But not the majority of republicans.
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Yeah, why should we not trust the Republicans to do the right thing?

Well, apart from every reason they have given for not trusting them since, say, the tail-end of the Obama administration.
 
d4m10n said:
Encouraging news from WH correspondent Peter Alexander:
https://twitter.com/PeterAlexander/status/1326855316483485701

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Skeptic Ginger said:
Baby steps.
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Skeptic Ginger said:
From what I see, Trump is coming around from Denial to Anger to Bargaining and toward Acceptance. You will never see that in Trump's own words, not in public anyway.
And he's likely to fluctuate a bit between denial/anger and (reluctant) acceptance.
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Here's Trump "accepting" reluctantly, I suppose:

“REPORT: DOMINION DELETED 2.7 MILLION TRUMP VOTES NATIONWIDE. DATA ANALYSIS FINDS 221,000 PENNSYLVANIA VOTES SWITCHED FROM PRESIDENT TRUMP TO BIDEN. 941,000 TRUMP VOTES DELETED. STATES USING DOMINION VOTING SYSTEMS SWITCHED 435,000 VOTES FROM TRUMP TO BIDEN.”
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angrysoba said:
And also notice that we are back to talking about the numbers of people who voted for him after initially arguing that those should not be seen as his supporters and yet those were beyond 72 million people. Four or five million more than ever voted for Obama in an election. Those numbers are huge! To argue that a mere 60% of them or even a mere 40% or a mere 30% of them refuse to accept the result, we are talking massive numbers and you can bet that the more times they repeat the mantra that the election was stolen the more you can expect that to grow.

Anyway you cut it, the complacency of some around here is altogether the wrong way to think about this.
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Did'nt you just criticise me for biing an alarmaist?
 
dudalb said:
Did'nt you just criticise me for biing an alarmaist?
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I criticized you for the get your guns and ammo and get ready for the Civil War drumbeat that you have been beating for four years. It's been a constant mantra from you, has it not?

What I am saying, is that the Republicans are not showing much sign of accepting the result of the election, and people need to be aware of that.

Do you disagree with either of those points?
 
Mader Levap said:
To be honest, it is hard to determine why he got more votes. Did amount of deplorables among republicans grew? Or maybe they were just more inclined to vote in 2020?

How do you distinguish these two cases? Note some mix of both is also possible.
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Maybe in 2016 they didn't realize you have to be registered in order to vote.
 
angrysoba said:
I criticized you for the get your guns and ammo and get ready for the Civil War drumbeat that you have been beating for four years. It's been a constant mantra from you, has it not?

What I am saying, is that the Republicans are not showing much sign of accepting the result of the election, and people need to be aware of that.

Do you disagree with either of those points?
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Question is how much of that is just posturing to convince Trump to campaign in Georiga to win the runoffs in Janueay.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Did you miss where I said you won't ever see him concede or give up in what he says (including Tweets)?
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Exactly, so now we can stop believing that tweet quoting the aide that Trump is "very aware there is not a path to victory,", instead of taking it at face value and praising him for his baby steps.

dudalb said:
Question is how much of that is just posturing to convince Trump to campaign in Georiga to win the runoffs in Janueay.
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I have no idea. And from which reliable source did you extract this theory?
 
angrysoba said:
Exactly, so now we can stop believing that tweet quoting the aide that Trump is "very aware there is not a path to victory,", instead of taking it at face value and praising him for his baby steps. ...
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Right because everyone who Tweets is a whacked out as Trump. :rolleyes:
 
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