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Trump's Coup d'état.

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angrysoba said:
I'm not claiming that the votes necessarily represent the Cult of Trump, but the fact he got 10 million votes more this time than last time does NOT suggest to me that his Cult is shrinking.
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To be honest, it is hard to determine why he got more votes. Did amount of deplorables among republicans grew? Or maybe they were just more inclined to vote in 2020?

How do you distinguish these two cases? Note some mix of both is also possible.
 
The Atheist said:
And polls have been proven accurate time after time...

Ah, gotcha.

When you quote numbers, they mean what you want them to mean.

Sounds legit.

(Sychophants have nothing to do with it - the question is supporters, and voters clearly support him. Do you even know what sychophant means? It seems not, because you brought the term in, and it's simply straw.)
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You'll figure it out.
 
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dann said:
Don't make the mistake of thinking that every Biden voter is a steadfast, staunch, resolute Trump opponent if Trump takes control of the armed forces.
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Why would I think it takes Biden supporters to prevent a Trump coup?

I'm pretty sure Trump does not have the support he needs in the military to pull off a coup. Yesterday I was concerned about it when he moved to replace the top level of civilian leadership of the Pentagon with his sycophants.

Today I am much less concerned.

dann said:
Did you notice how easy it was for guys like Graham and Cruz to change their attitudes to Trump once it became clear that he was in charge of the Republican Party?
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And you think this is analogous, supporting Trump and supporting a coup? :confused:
 
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Mader Levap said:
To be honest, it is hard to determine why he got more votes. Did amount of deplorables among republicans grew? Or maybe they were just more inclined to vote in 2020?

How do you distinguish these two cases? Note some mix of both is also possible.
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The claim that the Cult is shrinking is not mine. It is SG’s! How does she support her claim? That’s where the onus is!

She even points to the fact that 60% of Republicans don’t accept the result! That’s ridiculously high, and likely moving in the wrong direction. I am not going to accept Emily’s Cat’s bromides either.
 
Cavemonster said:
I've been watching a few "conservative" discussion spaces.

Around when media started calling it, the prevailing narrative was that Trump had lost and should step down. Most of their posts were cheap digs at how they thought liberals would burn down cities if it had gone the other way, but they acknowledged the result.

That would explain a ~40% or so figure acknowledging the loss.
But those same spaces started shifting DRASTICALLY once Trump's campaign and lawyers and twitter started pushing the fraud narrative hard. The same group of people who initially thought it was over switched back to "Fight the liberal attempt to steal this election!" within a couple days.

They only conceded at the beginning because they hadn't received their strong marching orders to do otherwise.

I can't say what percentage is on board at this point, but I watched the shift happen in real time. The major conservative hubs onr reddit which were 100% "Guess we lost this one" are now 100% "Fight the democrat fraud!".
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It's been 9 days since the election and ~6 since the election was called for Biden. It's no surprise that Trump supporters who at first recognized he lost, have begun to believe Trump's fantasy that it was a rigged election and he's going to prove it in court.

But the court cases are petering out and a lot of people who had renewed hope will begin to trail off by attrition. Then we are back to the hard core sycophants.

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Nearly 80% of Americans, including more than half of Republicans, recognize Biden as the winner of the presidential election, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll published this week.
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Republicans urge Trump to allow Biden briefings as U.S. election challenges sputter
WASHINGTON/WILMINGTON, Del. (Reuters) - More Republican lawmakers said on Thursday the Trump administration should allow Joe Biden to receive intelligence briefings, in a tacit acknowledgement the Democrat may soon occupy the White House despite the president’s refusal to concede. ...

In a sign of weakening support for Trump’s efforts to claim widespread election fraud, Ohio’s Governor Mike DeWine, a Republican who endorsed Trump, on Thursday told CNN “we need to consider the former vice president as the president-elect.”

The Las Vegas Review-Journal, owned by major Republican donor Sheldon Adelson, ran an editorial saying Trump “seeks to delay the inevitable.”
“There is no evidence that fraud cost Mr. Trump the election, no matter how much the president tweets the opposite and his supporters wish it,” the editorial said.
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Emily's Cat said:
No, you're extrapolating here. People voting for Trump to be president doesn't in any fashion imply that those people would support him illegally hanging on to the position in opposition to a legitimate election.

That's where SG's polls come in. 70 million people voted for Trump to be president. That does not, however, suggest that all of them think he should stay president when he loses the vote. And of the 60% of Republicans who aren't saying he should step down right now, I would guess that most of those are waiting for the final counts and the challenges to be settled.

I would guess that the number of people who would support an illegal overthrow of the voting process are pretty few in number.
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I would guess... I would guess... sorry, who is extrapolating?
 
CORed said:
I'm pretty sure that preventing states from certifying is part of the plan. This could conceivably work for him either by getting a Republican legislature to choose electors for him, or preventing certification in enough states to prevent Biden from having an electoral majority, and putting the election into the House of Representatives, where, because the Constitution requires voting by state, Trump would likely win. In order to do this though, he is going to have to get lawsuits in multiple states that are not dismissed on first hearing. I think his chances of actually accomplishing it are pretty slim. I'm not sure what he will do once states have certified and the electoral college has voted. What I'm hoping for is that either he ends up getting dragged out of the White House in handcuffs on Jan. 20. I could see staff, cabinet, etc. humoring him right up until that moment, then all saying, "sorry, you're not the president any more."
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So no states you can name then and provide evidence they plan to or are even considering overturning their state's vote?
 
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