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Trump's Coup d'état.

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With today's statement by the DHS, I wonder if the GOP will now start slowly jumping off SS Wackjob one by one? Do they lack the anal fortitude of following this thing through? Or is this the hill they've chosen to die on?

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angrysoba said:
No, not "Yhis"!

SG said the Trump Cult was shrinking. Do you see any evidence of this? I don't.

I'm not claiming that the votes necessarily represent the Cult of Trump, but the fact he got 10 million votes more this time than last time does NOT suggest to me that his Cult is shrinking.

Oh, but they think Biden is worse? Seriously, who is thinking this? How deluded would you have to be to think that not only is Biden worse than Trump, but after 4 years of a Trump administration, you come to that conclusion? Not only do they think Biden is so bad they would rather have Trump but 10 million more people think that than they thought about Hillary Clinton?

No, if you think the Cult is shrinking, then show your evidence. Because it looks more like a case of invasion of the bodysnatchers. People who used to be against Trump and had every reason to be against Trump are now in favour of him... Ted Cruz, despite having his wife mocked by Trump is now one of his hatchet men. Lindsey Graham, despite what he said about him at the beginning of the last administration? The Trump train convoys? He even has his own Cult of Personality network in OAN.

How is this Cult shrinking?
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If you define the cult as the hard core Trump minions who will always believe the deep state stole the election, that base isn't shrinking.

But everyone who voted for and/or really really likes Trump and believes his con-job are not hard core Trump minions. Those are the people who are slowly but surely abandoning Trump and accepting Biden won the election.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Fortunately, Trump's base is shrinking, not growing.
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Skeptic Ginger said:
If you define the cult as the hard core Trump minions who will always believe the deep state stole the election, that base isn't shrinking.
But everyone who voted for and/or really really likes Trump and believes his con-job are not hard core Trump minions. Those are the people who are slowly but surely abandoning Trump and accepting Biden won the election.
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Thank you. I’ll take that as a retraction.

As for the rest. I need to see some evidence of them slowly but surely accepting the Biden win.
 
To me it’s looking like Trump took the steps he could to try and retain power as unlikely as it was, and the GOP sat on the fence with a wait and see approach. But as time goes on it’s looking like he is unable to do so, and they’re starting to come out publicly.
 
angrysoba said:
The claim that the Cult is shrinking is not mine. It is SG’s! How does she support her claim? That’s where the onus is!

She even points to the fact that 60% of Republicans don’t accept the result! That’s ridiculously high, and likely moving in the wrong direction. I am not going to accept Emily’s Cat’s bromides either.
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According to Trump that was 95%, so 60% of Republicans is way down.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
This: "Pennsylvania rank and file lawmakers demand legislative audit before certifying election results" is not the same as, or even close to the assertion these legislators are planning to overturn the voters in their state and send their own electors to give PA to Trump.
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If the legislative audit drags out past the various deadlines, who decides whether PA sends electors?

Emily's Cat said:
Also, I can't find anything in that article that alleges that they're quoting from someone within Trump's team. The quotes are predominantly coming from "a lawyer" who "knows how this works". And even those quotes are hypotheticals from that lawyer.
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I believe the article said the lawyer was "familiar with the process" of how the Trump campaign could prevent state certifications from taking place. You may well be right, though, they don't come out and say where their background source is working right now. (I'm guessing Jones Day has heard of NDAs.)
 
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And also notice that we are back to talking about the numbers of people who voted for him after initially arguing that those should not be seen as his supporters and yet those were beyond 72 million people. Four or five million more than ever voted for Obama in an election. Those numbers are huge! To argue that a mere 60% of them or even a mere 40% or a mere 30% of them refuse to accept the result, we are talking massive numbers and you can bet that the more times they repeat the mantra that the election was stolen the more you can expect that to grow.

Anyway you cut it, the complacency of some around here is altogether the wrong way to think about this.
 
angrysoba said:
?????

State governors? the Senate? The Supreme Court? The President? How many divisions does the President have?
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There's no evidence the SCOTUS is going to overturn the election and install Trump.

The others do not have the power to support a coup.
 
angrysoba said:
It’s not “baby steps”. That’s not Trump coming round to accepting his defeat. That is his aide saying “there’s nothing to see here!”

If you want to see Trump’s baby steps then check out his Twitter feed!
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From what I see, Trump is coming around from Denial to Anger to Bargaining and toward Acceptance. You will never see that in Trump's own words, not in public anyway.

And he's likely to fluctuate a bit between denial/anger and (reluctant) acceptance.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
From what I see, Trump is coming around from Denial to Anger to Bargaining and toward Acceptance. You will never see that in Trump's own words, not in public anyway.

And he's likely to fluctuate a bit between denial/anger and (reluctant) acceptance.
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Why do you trust the word of his aide? How do we know the aide was faithfully representing his words?

And what makes you think that people actually always go through the stages of denial in predictable and reliable stages anyway?
 
angrysoba said:
Thank you. I’ll take that as a retraction.

As for the rest. I need to see some evidence of them slowly but surely accepting the Biden win.
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You want a retraction because we are using a different definition of hard core and base?

Whatever.
 
d4m10n said:
If the legislative audit drags out past the various deadlines, who decides whether PA sends electors?
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Is that the plan? Is there any evidence that is the plan?

d4m10n said:
I believe the article said the lawyer was "familiar with the process" of how the Trump campaign could prevent state certifications from taking place. You may well be right, though, they don't come out and say where their background source is working right now. (I'm guessing Jones Day has heard of NDAs.)
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The process aka hypothetically this is one way they might carry out this hypothetical plan.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
So 60% of Republicans are in Trumps base and that's always been the number?

Really?
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I never said that. That’s desperate.

I said I see no evidence his base is shrinking. You were the one arguing otherwise.

Now you are arguing that Trump is slowly accepting his loss. I see no evidence of that either.
 
angrysoba said:
And also notice that we are back to talking about the numbers of people who voted for him after initially arguing that those should not be seen as his supporters and yet those were beyond 72 million people. Four or five million more than ever voted for Obama in an election. Those numbers are huge!
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You don't understand. Most of them aren't Trump supporters. If he didn't have an 'R' next to his name they wouldn't even know who he was.


To argue that a mere 60% of them or even a mere 40% or a mere 30% of them refuse to accept the result, we are talking massive numbers and you can bet that the more times they repeat the mantra that the election was stolen the more you can expect that to grow.
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No, they will only grow until the futility of their stance becomes obvious, then the majority will give it up.


Anyway you cut it, the complacency of some around here is altogether the wrong way to think about this.
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Not sure what you mean, but republicans taking a while to accept the reality of a Biden presidency is not something we have to worry about. A few nutjobs who were always around? Perhaps. Trump and his minions? Definitely. But not the majority of republicans.
 
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