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Trump's Coup d'état.

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TragicMonkey said:
Is there anything in the Constitution that says where the certification has to occur? In that particular building, or anywhere in the capital city? The Capitol is normally the most convenient place for them to do it, but is it required?
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At the time the Constitution was adopted, there was no Capitol building. There was no Washington, DC. The first Congresses met in New York and Philadelphia. They can meet wherever they choose.
 
PhantomWolf said:
Really?

here are a bunch of Dictionary usages.

- a sudden, violent, and illegal seizure of power from a government.
- a sudden violent or illegal seizure of government
- a sudden and decisive change of government illegally or by force
- a sudden and violent change in government
- the violent overthrow or alteration of an existing government by a small group




This is a bit like saying, "it has feathers so it must be a duck."
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Okay, then, what would YOU call today's debacle? What convenient one-word term that would be easily recognizable to explain what this was would YOU employ?

If you want to be King Vocabulary you should be able to provide the goods. (Or wait until your maddened supporters storm the ISF and try to coup us, I guess!)
 
acbytesla said:
Here's the thing. Trump has been attempting a coup since before the election. But as his former fixer has said when Trump wants his associates to break a law, he never tells them explicitly. He uses mob speak. This is no different.

Those morons that stormed the Capitol today weren't attempting a coup. Trump was inviting them to in some desperate hope that the chaos would keep him in power. Those idiots didn't have a clue what they were doing. And neither does Trump.
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When one of these morons climbed a balcony in the Capitol, and replaced an American flag with a Trump flag- then threw the former to the ground, I kinda got the message on what they're intentions are. Seems pretty clear to me.
 
PhantomWolf said:
Really?

here are a bunch of Dictionary usages.

- a sudden, violent, and illegal seizure of power from a government.
- a sudden violent or illegal seizure of government
- a sudden and decisive change of government illegally or by force
- a sudden and violent change in government
- the violent overthrow or alteration of an existing government by a small group


This is a bit like saying, "it has feathers so it must be a duck."
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You cannot force a different outcome, such as President Trump rather than President Biden, unless you seize control of the mechanisms of power that are investing into President Biden. There's simply no other way.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Is there anything in the Constitution that says where the certification has to occur? In that particular building, or anywhere in the capital city? The Capitol is normally the most convenient place for them to do it, but is it required?
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The certification has to happen, but the congress can meet anywhere. No legal requirement that it be in the capitol building. They can meet in a barn in Podunk Plains, Idaho but if they have a quorum it's a legal session.
 
acbytesla said:
I understood. And piss off Hawley.
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Agreed.

For all here, I apologize on behalf of Missouri.

My mom called his office and left a message telling him because of today, he has blood on his hands.

I love my mom. She's from Canada, but got her U.S. citizenship in the late 80s.
 
cosmicaug said:
Any? I would think someone had a list. I would think Mike Pence was on it.

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Probably only "a statement" but such things stay only a statement until they become more than that.
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Hadn't seen the gallows before. I don't suppose that's photoshopped?
 
dudalb said:
The certification has to happen, but the congress can meet anywhere. No legal requirement that it be in the capitol building. They can meet in a barn in Podunk Plains, Idaho but if they have a quorum it's a legal session.
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Giuliani: "Quick, to the Four Seasons!"
 
PhantomWolf said:
Really?

here are a bunch of Dictionary usages.

- a sudden, violent, and illegal seizure of power from a government.
- a sudden violent or illegal seizure of government
- a sudden and decisive change of government illegally or by force
- a sudden and violent change in government
- the violent overthrow or alteration of an existing government by a small group




This is a bit like saying, "it has feathers so it must be a duck."
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I said translation.

(a) stroke of (or "at a") state (capital E in d'État)

I'll skip the jargon.

Transliteration comes out rebellion, insurrection, revolution, overturn, etc.

Again, for the same reasons we assign things like "ethnolinguistic groups" while also excepting they aren't really hard and fast, or this is the Roman Republic, while that is the Roman Empire, but nobody in Rome woke up aware of that distinction...

A coup is a an attack on the state. Maybe they possess existing offices in a charade that takes on legitimacy, maybe a new government form, maybe an interim commission to hold new elections, but those are all held as a different component of an overall "takeover/overthow/supplant" historical event.

Something could happen tomorrow that makes a 40 year look back on this moment a whole different word.

Why hammer it out in real-time?

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trustbutverify said:
When one of these morons climbed a balcony in the Capitol, and replaced an American flag with a Trump flag- then threw the former to the ground, I kinda got the message on what they're intentions are. Seems pretty clear to me.
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It's definitely what they want. But it isn't really seizing power.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Is there anything in the Constitution that says where the certification has to occur? In that particular building, or anywhere in the capital city? The Capitol is normally the most convenient place for them to do it, but is it required?
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As others have pointed out, location doesn’t matter but you do need a quorum.

And a quorum would prove difficult when some members of Congress are barricaded in their offices and others have been evacuated because right wing terrorists have taken control of the Capitol.
 
Delphic Oracle said:
Agreed.

For all here, I apologize on behalf of Missouri.

My mom called his office and left a message telling him because of today, he has blood on his hands.

I love my mom. She's from Canada, but got her U.S. citizenship in the late 80s.
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Josh Hawley: worst guy from Missouri since Jesse James.
 
dudalb said:
Josh Hawley: worst guy from Missouri since Jesse James.
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A friend of mine is from St. Louis, and while he's not a bad guy, he tells me St. Louis is the murder capital of the United States. So, all I'm saying is that there may be competition. Hawley's probably still in the running though.
 
angrysoba said:
A friend of mine is from St. Louis, and while he's not a bad guy, he tells me St. Louis is the murder capital of the United States. So, all I'm saying is that there may be competition. Hawley's probably still in the running though.
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On second though, you need to include Quantrell and Bloody Bill Anderson in the compatition.
She a movie called "Ride With The Devil" for further info. One of the most accurate movies made on the Civil War.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Okay so question.

What WOULD make it a coup attempt then?
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already answered. An attempt to take control of the powers of Government by the insurrectionists, for example declaring that they were now the US congress and holding votes on which electors to accept.
 
Not for example, taking control of the powers of Government by the insurrectionists in order to dictate the next President?
 
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