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Cain said:
Oh, ********. People in the Democrat party should open their eyes and stop listening to the fake news. If they did, they'd learn that the Clinton Crime family ordered the hit on DNC staffer Seth Rich.
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I can never tell how much sarcasm is needed for individual posts of yours.
 
The Don said:
Trump strikes me as the kind of person who likes to feel he is in control. He may feel that leaving the US at this time will allow his conspirators to plot against him in his absence.
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Be interesting if we could be privy to the battle between his narcissism and paranoia!
 
varwoche said:
It's utterly mind-boggling the extent to which the obstruction of justice is in plain view.
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I found out that it is only obstruction of justice if you know it is illegal. So really do you think Trump could honestly understand that ordering a subordinate not to do their job was a crime? He is no where near knowledgeable enough to be able to legally obstruct justice.
 
ponderingturtle said:
I found out that it is only obstruction of justice if you know it is illegal. So really do you think Trump could honestly understand that ordering a subordinate not to do their job was a crime? He is no where near knowledgeable enough to be able to legally obstruct justice.
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no way.
He's been in hundreds of lawsuits, he knows exactly that he was pushing people to bend the rules for him.
 
The Don said:
As far as the GOP are concerned, Trumpism doesn't have to end well as long as they get their tax cuts and slashes to healthcare spending. Indeed, it's likely that they'll hand the problems of sorting out the deficit and fixing healthcare to the next Democratic administration (as usual), declare that Trump was an aberration and then move on.
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So the W plan again.
 
ponderingturtle said:
So the W plan again.
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It's been the Republican plan for the last 40 years.

Increase the deficit through tax cuts.

Complain bitterly when the Democratic Party increase taxes to reduce the deficit - and become unpopular in the process.

...rinse and repeat :rolleyes:
 
ponderingturtle said:
I found out that it is only obstruction of justice if you know it is illegal. So really do you think Trump could honestly understand that ordering a subordinate not to do their job was a crime? He is no where near knowledgeable enough to be able to legally obstruct justice.
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He told everyone else to leave the room. He knew.
 
Why does Flynn matter so much to Trump anyway? Why does Trump need to go out on a limb for a guy whom he fired for lying to the VP?! Makes me think Flynn has dirt on Trump.
 
White House on edge: 'We are kind of helpless'


It was, in the words of one senior White House official, the worst day of Trump’s presidency.

White House officials spent early Tuesday wondering who was leaking details of President Donald Trump’s classified conversations with Russian officials about intelligence shared by the Israelis, and moving to contain the fallout ahead of Trump’s planned trip to Jerusalem next week. They spent the evening facing a report that before he fired FBI director James Comey, Trump directly asked him to stop investigating the Trump campaign’s Russia ties—and worrying what else might yet be revealed.

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Top White House officials learned of the looming New York Times story about a memo Comey wrote memorializing Trump’s request two hours before it went online. Aides rushed to ask Trump what he had actually told Comey. But the White House had no memos or tapes of the meeting to rebut the claims, several officials said. Trump didn’t even give an entire readout of his conversation, leaving staffers “actually unaware of what happened,” one official said.

“It’s not like we were in on the meeting,” this person said. “We had no idea. We still don’t really know what was said.”

Another official laughed when asked if Trump had really “taped” the meeting, as he’s suggested on Twitter: “If so, none of us have heard the tape.”

Trump was furious about the story, one of the officials said, but retreated to the White House residence within 75 minutes of it going online – leaving aides to “figure out how bad the fallout was.”
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zorro99 said:
Why does Flynn matter so much to Trump anyway? Why does Trump need to go out on a limb for a guy whom he fired for lying to the VP?! Makes me think Flynn has dirt on Trump.
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He has a detrimental obsession with loyalty.
 
uke2se said:
Ignorance of the law isn't a defense.
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In general know but it is in some cases such as obstruction of justice.

"He added, "I do think obstruction of justice, to anyone who has had to prove it in court, is not easy. It has a lot to do with intent, with the context in which things are said and perhaps, the most important word in the statute: 'corruptly.' That means you not only have to prove that the person knew what he was doing was unlawful, but that he acted with a specific purpose to undermine a proceeding.""

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/16/politics/obstruction-of-justice-donald-trump/
 
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