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You think NFL fans are racist? People who watch a sport where about 75 - 80% of the players are black? People who proudly purchase and wear these same players' jerseys?

Yes, absolutely. Have you never heard someone argue black people are great at football but can't make good quarterbacks?

By the way, that is what made cam Newton's comment so offensive. Not too long ago people thought, "it's funny to see a black man playing quarterback at a high level." It isn't a complement.
 
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You think NFL fans are racist? People who watch a sport where about 75 - 80% of the players are black? People who proudly purchase and wear these same players' jerseys?

Is racism and pointing fingers all people here understand anymore? Can there ever be any other reason not to like something a black man does?

Oh, I hear Kaepernick will stop kneeling if a team will sign him.
funny
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/kaepernick-hell-stand-anthem-chance-play-nfl-report/story?id=50356136
Assuming ABC News has the story straight I just have to laugh.

What is it about the news story that makes you laugh? That a man who has taken a controversial political stand has decided it is in his interest to back off because he might be able to earn lots of money?

Oh, yeah. Ha ha. That's pretty funny. Oh, my.
 
Pence stages a photo op, walks out of Colts' game. Could this be any more phony?

NFL Week 5: Vice President Mike Pence walks out on Colts game after Niners kneel for anthem
Pence announced his departure via his Twitter account, writing: “I left today’s Colts game because @POTUS [President Trump] and I will not dignify any event that disrespects our soldiers, our Flag, or our National Anthem.”
Guess he didn't get enough attention so he had to wave his tweeter.

Worth noting:
The 49ers, the former team of Colin Kaepernick who began the kneeling anthem protests last season, have demonstrated throughout the 2017 season as well. Based upon initial reports via social media, most players appeared to stand for the anthem during the NFL’s 1 p.m. games, with the 49ers the notable exception.

Speaking of fake news:
A false, Photoshopped image of the Seattle Seahawks’ Michael Bennett burning a flag in the locker room became a widely shared meme designed to stir up passions. The Seahawks took the next step in their activism, announcing the creation of an educational fund.

The teams are changing tactics given their message has been co-opted.
“To counter the vast amount of press attention being referred to as the ‘national anthem protests’ versus the large amount of grass roots work that many players around the league have invested their time and resources, we would like to request a league wide initiative that would include a month dedicated to a campaign initiative and related events,” the memo stated. “Similarly to what the league already implements for breast cancer awareness, honoring military, etc., we would like November to serve as a month of Unity for individual teams to engage and impact the community in their market.”

And in regards to blaming declining game interest on the protests:
Their activism has taken root, down to the high school level and over to the NBA. Although Trump cited declining TV ratings for the NFL, those have improved as the games have and as areas in Texas and Florida have begun to recover from hurricane damage.
 
What is it about the news story that makes you laugh? That a man who has taken a controversial political stand has decided it is in his interest to back off because he might be able to earn lots of money?

Oh, yeah. Ha ha. That's pretty funny. Oh, my.

Maybe missed the class on hierarchy of needs?
 
Ratings are going to be bad today, but that is because of the lack of winning teams playing against each other today.
 
From the end of August to the end of September, the favorable ratings for the NFL have dropped from 57 percent to 44 percent, and it has the highest unfavorable rating -- 40 percent -- of any big sport,

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/s...liked-sport-core-fans-down-31/article/2636837


Thanks Trump.

TBF, this seems like a whole lotta' of nothin'. It's a poll about how you "view" the NFL - favorably or unfavorably. Someone could be unhappy with the kneeling and say that it's unfavorable but still watch their favorite team anyway.
 
Is racism and pointing fingers all people here understand anymore? Can there ever be any other reason not to like something a black man does?

I missed this the first time.

Can't I ask with equal justice why some people refuse to ever accept that anything is or could be the result of racism? Isn't it possible that the frequency of accusations of racism are the result of the existence of racism?

Also, this response of yours is doubly stupid because it doesn't apply to my argument. My claim, as stated, was dependent on the alleged racists reacting because a black man dared to want civil rights. Not liking a black person because they want to be treated equally pretty much is textbook racism. It's not like they are upset at a man who happens to be black who also ran over their mailbox while drunk driving. The offense that has angered them is asking to not be killed and to be treated with respect. If you are triggered by that request, then yes, that is racism.
 
You think NFL fans are racist? People who watch a sport where about 75 - 80% of the players are black? People who proudly purchase and wear these same players' jerseys?

Do you think that to be racist you have to hate anything and everything relating to black people?
 
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You think NFL fans are racist? People who watch a sport where about 75 - 80% of the players are black?


Ahh. "I'm not a racist; I have a black friend." This one's a bit worse, though. "I'm not a racist; I enjoy black people who entertain me."

Sure, some people have the same reaction to white celebrities expressing a political opinion, but enjoying a sport that's predominantly black is not evidence that a person does not harbor some racial biases.

And to be fair, the negative reaction to these players visibly protesting also may not be evidence of racial bias one way or the other, but it may be part of a discernible pattern.

TBF, this seems like a whole lotta' of nothin'. It's a poll about how you "view" the NFL - favorably or unfavorably. Someone could be unhappy with the kneeling and say that it's unfavorable but still watch their favorite team anyway.


I think we should also keep in mind the somewhat recent focus on head injuries in the NFL. The recent revelations about just how damaging the sport is might be causing people to shy away from it in discomfort.
 
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Do you think that to be racist you have to hate anything and everything relating to black people?
I don't think that all of the people concerned about kneeling are racist. I disagree with them, but I think a decent number have a particular opinion about how to honor our nation and its military.

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I don't think that all of the people concerned about kneeling are racist. I disagree with them, but I think a decent number have a particular opinion about how to honor our nation and its military.

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I don't think they do. I think if Alejandro Villanueva was the first player to do it, and he said he was doing it because of poor veterans care, I don't think anyone would question it.
 
I don't think that all of the people concerned about kneeling are racist.

I don't either. But when the argument is that they can't be racist because they enjoy watching black people play football, well... that's just stupid.

I disagree with them, but I think a decent number have a particular opinion about how to honor our nation and its military.

Yeah, I'd be more inclined to believe any of that sanctimony if we were seeing an equal amount of outrage over Confederate monuments and Nazi rallies.
 
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I want to hear from the "it's football, why do you have to make it poltical?" crowd.

What's more making it political than the VP walking out on it?
 
I want to hear from the "it's football, why do you have to make it poltical?" crowd.

What's more making it political than the VP walking out on it?

The VP doesn't depend on getting people to pay money to watch him. And he's already intrinsically political, because (and this might come as a surprise to you) he's a politician. A politician politicizing something is like a day ending in y.
 
Does he often attend 49ers games?

What was the bill to get him to and from the game?
 
Does he often attend 49ers games?

What was the bill to get him to and from the game?


A;Pence is from and was Governor of Indiana and is a Indianipolis Colts fan
B:The Indianapolis Colts were retiring Peyton Manning's number today.That is a big thing is US sports the highest honor a team can pay to one of it's great players.
The 49ers just happned to be the team that Colts were playing.
 
A;Pence is from and was Governor of Indiana and is a Indianipolis Colts fan
B:The Indianapolis Colts were retiring Peyton Manning's number today.That is a big thing is US sports the highest honor a team can pay to one of it's great players.
The 49ers just happned to be the team that Colts were playing.

:rolleyes:

Doyel: Vice President Mike Pence uses Colts for political purposes
Pence knew.

Hell, the media members that follow Pence were told before the game not to bother leaving their vans and enter Lucas Oil Stadium, according to a tweet from NBC News Vaughn Hillyard. They wouldn’t be there long, because Pence wouldn’t be there long.

This was planned. ...

As another aside, what was Pence thinking, doing this on a day the Colts franchise thought he was in town to honor Peyton Manning and celebrate his induction into the Ring of Honor? As VP of the country, and as Indiana’s former governor, Pence has a standing invitation to come to a Colts game and watch it from a suite. A few weeks ago he accepted that offer. He claimed a suite just off mid-field.
Gee, a few weeks ago, wasn't that about the time Trump made a big deal of the silent protest?

The bigger part of me is stunned that the President – and now Vice President – of the United States would take such a public position against the one of the greatest rights the U.S. Constitution grants us: freedom of speech. It’s one thing for you to rip NFL players for kneeling during the anthem. They have the right to kneel, and you have the right to hate it. You have the right to boo. You have the right to rise from your seat and leave the game. So many of my family members fought overseas, some of them not coming back completely whole, for you to have that right. So, boo. So, leave. You don’t have my agreement, but you have my support.

But when the top two elected leaders of our democracy decide that political speech – in this case, a silent and non-violent form of political speech – is unacceptable to the point of walking out of the game where it happens, well, that’s chilling. That’s the kind of oppressive nonsense our ancestors were leaving when they crossed the Atlantic Ocean hundreds of years ago.

As an aside, how much taxpayer money did Pence waste to make this grandiose statement of political oppression, anyway? He traveled here with his usual contingent of aides and bodyguards, and he didn’t fly standby on Delta. Chew on that for just a minute.
 
The VP doesn't depend on getting people to pay money to watch him. And he's already intrinsically political, because (and this might come as a surprise to you) he's a politician. A politician politicizing something is like a day ending in y.

Any event that requires people to perform a certain ritual lest they be labeled unpatriotic and anti-military is also already intrinsically political.
 

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