True skeptics are 'conspiracy theorists'

You have no facts, just talk and it has to be labeled as lies since you can not produce facts.

You talk in parables that would make Christ cringe at how stupid you make yourself look. Your parable are sick and incomplete without facts. They are lies until you produce facts, names, dates, and other evidence to support your talk. You make up some weird stuff.

Seeing you mention Christ, the truth giver, and the TRUTH, and because you love to call truths lies, allow me to quote Christ himself as to the source of your lying.


Jhn 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
 
One problem, your beliefs are just as much mythology as the others you listed there.

No my beliefs are different than mythology and other religions, it is in a person...Christ

Other religions do have a look of spirituality, and yet deny Christ.

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Rom 10:2For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
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Rom 10:3For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.



2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

The power is Jesus.

But if you like them and this congregation HERE, that's your choice and your responsibility, But all faiths will become ONE by force, or you will be no more.

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/Anti-ChristMark.html
 

Thanks Bjorn, I had no idea you would spend so much time researching my thoughts from way back in 2002. I relise you don;t believe in prophecy and wouldn;t read them, but just are looking for an accussation for which to accuse me, as that might give you points among your congregation. But thanks for the hyperlink as I forgot about those messages as I got banned for opposing them. Most discussion groups start name calling and start with accuissations before they get so frustrated they ban what they can't oppose intellectually or spiritually. Thanks I'll save that hyperlink.

But eliyah, is basically into a Name and self righteousness and not Jesus. But I did learn a few things THERE, for similarly I found out a lot about athiests HERE and their church group. Thanks
 
Back to the TOPIC, there is a huge difference between true skeptics and false skeptics. Skepticism is honourable if skeptics are looking for answers, if they never come up with answers, they are false skeptics, and just plain cowards and gutless and unscientific and unowrthy and much much more, or should I say worse.
 
You don;t have to believe me, the way all these three died, as it isn;t paramount for you udnerstanding the difference between truie skeptics and false ones.

But seeing that Bush lied to you is paramount as it involves you and British lives and soo many other lives.

But false skeptics never see through these lies of their governments and just go on believeing every thing that proceeds from their mouth. true skeptics can find answers and the war for oil and the deceptions of the governments of this world can be seen through.
Are Bush and Blair not very religious then ? I always thought they were.
Back to the TOPIC, there is a huge difference between true skeptics and false skeptics. Skepticism is honourable if skeptics are looking for answers, if they never come up with answers, they are false skeptics, and just plain cowards and gutless and unscientific and unowrthy and much much more, or should I say worse.
I assume there is a special place in hell for such people eh ?

For the record I have no problem with peoples faith or religion. I personelly am not very religous but what exactly is your point ?
 
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You don;t have to believe me, the way all these three died, as it isn;t paramount for you udnerstanding the difference between truie skeptics and false ones.

But seeing that Bush lied to you is paramount as it involves you and British lives and soo many other lives.

But false skeptics never see through these lies of their governments and just go on believeing every thing that proceeds from their mouth. true skeptics can find answers and the war for oil and the deceptions of the governments of this world can be seen through.

Hey DJJ are we all gonna die cause we don't wanna try your way?

Seems as if you got death in the hand don't touch yourself.
 
Back to the TOPIC, there is a huge difference between true skeptics and false skeptics. Skepticism is honourable if skeptics are looking for answers, if they never come up with answers, they are false skeptics, and just plain cowards and gutless and unscientific and unowrthy and much much more, or should I say worse.
No true Scotsman is a term coined by Antony Flew in his 1975 book Thinking About Thinking - or do I sincerely want to be right?:
Imagine Hamish McDonald, a Scotsman, sitting down with his Press and Journal and seeing an article about how the "Brighton Sex Maniac Strikes Again." Hamish is shocked and declares that "No Scotsman would do such a thing." The next day he sits down to read his Press and Journal again and this time finds an article about an Aberdeen man whose brutal actions make the Brighton sex maniac seem almost gentlemanly. This fact shows that Hamish was wrong in his opinion but is he going to admit this? Not likely. This time he says, "No true Scotsman would do such a thing." Flew's original example may be soften into the following [1]:
Argument: "No Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge." Reply: "But my uncle Angus likes sugar with his porridge." Rebuttal: "Ah yes, but no true Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge." This form of argument is a fallacy if the predicate ("putting sugar on porridge" or "doing such a thing [as committing a sex crime]") is not actually contradictory for the accepted definition of the subject ("Scotsman"), or if the definition of the subject is silently adjusted after the fact to make the rebuttal work.
Note that in the original example, Hamish is stated to be wrong (and is in fact wrong) in his opinion that no Scotsman would commit a sex crime. In the above restatement, it is traditional to put salt, and not sugar, on porridge in Scotland. It is unclear, therefore, whether the restatement accurately reflects Flew's intended argument.
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Using the context of culture, religious individuals, for example, sometimes employ this fallacy. The statement "no true Christian" would do some such thing is often a fallacy, since the term "Christian" is used by a wide and disparate variety of people. This broad nature of the category is such that its use has very little meaning when it comes to defining a narrow property or behaviour. If there is no one accepted definition of the subject, then the definition must be understood in context, or defined in the initial argument for the discussion at hand.
It is also a common fallacy in politics, in which critics may condemn their colleagues as not being "true" Communists, liberals or conservatives because they occasionally disagree on certain matters of policy. It comes in many other forms - "No decent person would" - it is argued "support hanging/watch pornography/smoke in public", etc. Often the speaker seems unaware that he/she is, in fact, coercively (re)defining, 'objectifying', what the phrase "decent person" means to include/exclude what he/she wants and NOT simply following what the phrase is already accepted as meaning. The argument shifts the debate from being about hanging/pornography/smoking and tries to make it seem that anyone disagreeing with the speaker is arguing for the "indecent".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_scotsman

You're not fooling anyone and you sound like a broken Jack Chick tract.
 



Conspiracy Theories’



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everything is above board and according to what you see,
then you have truly been duped. You in your naive idealism
are not heroic but downright ‘dumb’. The Lord of Lords didn’t
say in vain that you have to seek to find. He was not a liar
and is not a liar, because it takes search and a heart for the
truth to find the truth. It doesn’t just come to people without effort and courage, you have to uncover the truth of what is happening in life. Life is a mystery and you are suppose to uncover the '
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That is what science is all about, discovery, knowledge and an UNDERstanding of what is under the standing of what we do see. (SEE
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[SIZE=-1]Importance of Understanding[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]) We have to look behind the scenes to find out what the real cause of the effects, we read about in the newspapers in our current events, the real principles at work behind the scenes..

So don’t give me that ‘crock’, that there are no conspiracies, and that governments figure heads whether they be presidents, or prime ministers, or dictators or not placed their by those that control the world strings. And don’t tell me that democracy is beautiful and our government is, by the people and for the people and of the people. That is a deception, as government officials and politicians are trained not to tell the truth. Everything important is hidden behind secrecy and closed doors. We don’t run the government, the governments are run by those with the real power, which is money.

Now you are getting an education !! So do the study, look up New World Order, the Illuminati, and then cross reference everything you learn with the fact that Jesus said that the world and all its wealth was given into the hands of the Devil and that he could give it to whom he wills. (Mathew 4) And he has, and they have as much control of this world as the Lord has allowed them to have. Give them enough rope and they will hang themselves, and they will because of their treachery and lies.

For who in hell do you think is the liar of liars, and father of them all. It is the Devil, Satan !!! He lied to Jesus, but Jesus rejected his twistings and turnings and pursuits of the flesh and down right lies Study as Jesus said, for all politicians have to tow the party line or they never get elected, or get kicked out of office when they don’t conform to their handlers. All politicians know these rules after they have been in office in the lower ranks, on their way up. It can start with so-called concerned citizens running for a school board office, to municipal offices, to state or provincial offices, and then onto the federal level. They learn the unwritten rules real quick, and they don’t buck them or they are out. These political ones vote according to the hand that feds them and according to the ones in caucus offices that put them there.

So don’t tell me that there are no conspiracies, and the military tells us everything they know. and the governments are all benign and love their citizenry. And don’t tell me that a single bullet killed John F. Kennedy, and that one man did it, and that it was a random act and has nothing to do with the military and the government involvement in their past war. believe the Warrebn reports of this world if you choose, but you will be confounded in the end, and it will be your own fault, for not seeking deeper.

Don’t tell me there are no conspiracies, and that nothing is secret and hidden ….. and that all is written down in black and white for good little Christians or heathens to read about. No way, that’s insanity and any that believe it, get what they deserve in the end for their shallowness. I mean, they have all of history to look back on, we have libraries, we have the internet so that no subject can NOT be researched. Answers can be found. (SEE
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The truth is there, which is why we are so accountable. For as the Lord said to whom much is given much is required. ( SEE Luke 12: 48). And so just by reading this, you are so much more accountable than before. You have a God-given requirement to not waste time, but search out a matter, understand the mysteries of life, and
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[SIZE=-1]Go Deep[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]. You can figure out the Lord’s truths in any of the sciences, whether math, biology, astronomy, chemistry, geography etc… or any of the arts …history, language, sociology, etc. etc. ….. or any subject in spirituality whether angels, salvation, demons, death, etc. etc. etc…. So you better get with it and LEARN some things. And know what you believe and ‘to whom you believe !!! ‘

And we better be willing to stake out lives on what we have learned and experienced rather than just having head theories, and thinking that there are no conspiracies and that we know it all. Because we don’t know all that is happening behind the scenes. There are conspiracies and the world is heading to a One World Government headed by one man, who will be hiding his ultimate motive. (SEE
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So if you get duped, then it will be your own fault. But before then and before you take his MARK, you can break the cycle of being used as a pawn. Wny because the world is conspiring against you for your soul. And yet you can be free as Jesus said, and used to set others free. (SEE
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[SIZE=-1]Setting the captives free[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] ). If you find out His truth. then His [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]TRUTH[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] shall set you free. (John 8: 31-36)

According to Scriptures and Truth

David Jay Jordan
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Nope.
 
I relise you don;t believe in prophecy and wouldn;t read them...

Not necessarily; just pointing out that you are a failure in the realm of prophesying.


Davidjayjordan said:
but just are looking for an accussation for which to accuse me, as that might give you points among your congregation.


Accusing you of nothing, just presenting exhibits. Feeling accused is your own conscience talking. I belong to no congregation.


Davidjayjordan said:
But eliyah, is basically into a Name and self righteousness and not Jesus. But I did learn a few things THERE, for similarly I found out a lot about athiests HERE and their church group. Thanks


The purpose in reposting that thread here had nothing to do with any other poster there. It was to point out how you make a prediction, and when you realize yourself it is wrong, you just excise the offending dates from the passage and substitute new ones. You did the same thing to your Daniel timeline illustration. You keep adding on new dates. Eventually it may stretch all the way across the page. Did the prophets of the Old Testament have to do the same thing until they got it right? Very convincing to your congregation. And there is no church of atheism despite your saying there is. It is just your feeble way of trying to defend your nonsense when confronted with reason, and implying persecution by doing so is to retreat to a refuge for the ignoble.
 
Johnny 23, it is you that is in the religious institution called a university where you are taught what to believe, because your life is depenadant on agreeing with them. Poor Johnny 23, he has lost all perspective and is forced by his choices of submission to his higher power to 'just obey'. Poor Johnny... by then again even 23 year olds can know where the world and the system is at, if they open up their eyes. Poor Johnny poor poor Johnny

So you don't understand the complex background behind the wars in either Afghanistan or Iraq, not to mention modern economics?

Okay, good, I just wanted to check.

You know, re-stating my age and claiming I am indoctrinated doesn't make you more right.

Also, something for you to ponder... As I'm sure your numerologically oriented mind has grasped, 2+3 = 5. I am 23... or so I claim! Also, today is the 26th of February. 2/6 = 3. February is the second month of the year. 2 + 2/6 = 5!

Also, 6-2 = 4. (6-2), 2/6, 2... 432!

Also note that the last two digits are 3 and 2, reversed that is 23! Also, that adds up to 5. Also, 4, (3+2) is 4, 5! Add my age to that and you get 2, 3, 4, 5!

I'm sure you understand where I'm going with this. I am the arm, I sound like this. We are watching you, do not dissappoint us.
 
Back to the TOPIC, there is a huge difference between true skeptics and false skeptics. Skepticism is honourable if skeptics are looking for answers, if they never come up with answers, they are false skeptics, and just plain cowards and gutless and unscientific and unowrthy and much much more, or should I say worse.
Good to see that you yet again ignored what I said, continuing to just keep repeating what you said before without even trying to refute mine. It's not actually good by the way, it just, yet again, proves my point about you.

Skepticism does not mean that you will find answers. If you are skeptical of everything, you will never find answers, 'cause even if you find an answer you will be skeptical.

Just because someone does not come to an answer to everything(ie everyone), does not make them what you say they are. We all have questions, we are all skeptical of something. If we do not find an answer in something we are skeptical about, that does not make us a false skeptic, dishonourable, a gutless coward, unscientific, unworthy(of what?), and much much more.

Because if this is true, then surely you are all these things too. Unless of course you claim to know the answer to everything. If you do, you are surely unscientific, and a liar!
 
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It doesn't take much research to find out the shroud of Turin was bogus. A con to try and validate, the church authority over the masses. But then again false skeptics usually miss this as they are so aligned to their governments that if a religious institution aligned and sleeping with their giovernments said so, they again believe it hook line and sinker.

Real skeptics stay away from government and church lies...and stay away from nationalism and religious insanity.... as they are the worst persecutors there are. AVOID THE DEVOID.

No True Scottsman fallacy.

Paul if anyone has NO excuse for becoming a true skeptic rather than wallowing as a false skeptic, it has to be you. You fought in the VietNam war and yet can't see through these new wars for oil... Paul, are you sure you weren;t shell shocked so you lost all perspective, and now just continue to follow orders.

Dumb sheep for the slaughter...

Appeal to emotions.

pride would dictate I give out my personal information... but wisdom, and discernment says, don;t do it

What does pride or wisdom have to do with proving one's claim ?

Pro 29:25 The fear of man bringeth a snare: but whoso putteth his trust in the LORD shall be safe.

Sorry. Quoting the bibble in the positive disqualifies you as a skeptic, in my book.

For now, it is still a partially free country

Define a country that would give you MORE rights.

WHY, because they love their group, they are groupies without brains, that love nationalism and waving their flag, because they think they are the greatest and BEST and toughest...

You truly aren't very bright, are you ? Do you believe that everybody here is from America ?

Paul, usually the best defense is a good offense, but in your case you have no defense against what you fear the most, your government and hence you have to honour it and obey it

It must make you feel real good to make up stuff like this and believe it.
 
I hate to cross post, but I put this up on one of your thread in R&P, and you ignored me there. Please answer this question for me.

DJJ, have you ever had temporal lobe seizures?

I hate to use the term "textbook case", but this seems to be one. I will quote a passage from the chapter "God and the Limbic System" from the book listed in my sig. Any spelling errors are my own.

Patients have heightened emotions and see cosmic significance in trivial events. It is claimed that they tend to be humorless, full of self-importance, and to maintain elaborate diaries [Hokulele - or websites!] that record quotidian events in elaborate detail - a trait called hypergraphia. Patients have on occasion given me hundreds of pages of written text filled with mystical symbols and notations. Some of these patients are sticky in conversation, argumentative, pedantic, and egocentric (although less so than many of my scientific colleagues), and they are obsessively preoccupied with philosophical and theological issues.

Ramachandran then goes on to describe a case study. One line of this description states:

But later that afternoon, Paul flirted shamelessly with two of my female graduate students and tried to get their home telephone numbers. This paradoxical combination of loss of libido and a preoccupation with sexual rituals is not unusual in patients with temporal lobe epilepsy.

It is just coincidence that I had read this book right before DJJ started posting, but I think this explains much of the behaviour we have seen on this and other threads.
 
I'm still wondering....

...Why he's so concerned with arguing with us on this forum when his own web page says the world will end on August 5, 2016.

Shouldn't he be preparing his relatives and friends for this big event? Less than nine years to go.

How about his IRA? Time to shut down the retirement plan? :)
 
...Why he's so concerned with arguing with us on this forum when his own web page says the world will end on August 5, 2016.
Just a few years ago he had the end of the world irrefutably pegged at 2009.

Times change, I guess (pun intended).

If I may paraphrase Tom Lehrer, it is sort of like DJJ were a Christian Scientist with appendicitis.
 
So, if I read things correctly, DJJ clearly had his time line running 7 years early in his post at

http://www.eliyah.com/forum2/Forum1/HTML/003174.html

Times change, I guess, but why should we not believe DJJ is as misdirected now as he was then?

Yes, now you are getting it.. the Last Seven Years of daniel is set in stone and is a BASIC fundamental of Bible prophecies for all other prophecies fit into its framework exactly.

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/Danieltimeline.html

But that can only be posted on the Religion Board, not on the Math Board or here on the skeptics board as these boards are afriad of such truths...or then again maybe it is because they have no comprehension of even the very basics or most fundamental of concepts. Probably both.. Go to the Religion Board if you want to know the future. I shall call it Basic Fundamental Prophecy
 
Just a few years ago he had the end of the world irrefutably pegged at 2009.

Times change, I guess (pun intended).

If I may paraphrase Tom Lehrer, it is sort of like DJJ were a Christian Scientist with appendicitis.

SEE the Religion Prophecy Board.... as 2009 is surely just the start of Daniel's Last 7 years.

But this thread is how false skeptics believe every lie told them.... but not all. As panda, an athiest at least knows there are conspiracies and knows the wars were for oil.

Do talk to him, false skeptics and try to get him on board with your intimidation tactics, of just BELIEVE and trust the governments of this world.

Poor panda, between a rock and a hard place. What will he do, tell the false skeptics and lose his position in thier congregation, or just keep quiet out of fear.

Interesting events coming up.
 
SEE the Religion Prophecy Board.... as 2009 is surely just the start of Daniel's Last 7 years.

But this thread is how false skeptics believe every lie told them.... but not all. As panda, an athiest at least knows there are conspiracies and knows the wars were for oil.

Do talk to him, false skeptics and try to get him on board with your intimidation tactics, of just BELIEVE and trust the governments of this world.

Poor panda, between a rock and a hard place. What will he do, tell the false skeptics and lose his position in thier congregation, or just keep quiet out of fear.

Interesting events coming up.
Haha, guys i believe that the gorvernments lie to us. I'm so sorry, i hope you don't hold this against me, i really love you all, all of you in my church. Please don't throw me out your amazing religion of nothingness! :rolleyes:

DJJ, they don't care what I believe. I'm skeptical towards the governments, and towards you. They, some of them, are skeptical towards the conspiracy theories, and towards you. It doesn't matter who's right, we are all skeptics in our own way.

I'm happy that you have at least stopped the false accusations that i believe everything governments tell me. At least it's a start. :D
 

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