Troofers Now Faking Evidence

MarkyX said:
To be honest, I don't trust a guy who goes this far to make up bullcrap. Last thing I want is yet another stalker. I already have Merc who wants to find out where I live and I prefer not to have another.
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Point taken- there's enough inconsistency in this individuals story that it's obviously fraudulent. I wouldn't be surprised if the LC crew was even behind it. The demands for an apology on a communication which- at the very least requires some corroboration- seems to indicate to me that it's a setup.
 
You ever notice how all these first responders who believe in the 9-11 tinfoil hattery have all been fired? Craig Bartmer went into this long song and dance about how he decided to live with his parents while he was on disability, and Internal Affairs found out his apartment manager hadn't seen him in months but that's because his roommate pays the rent and blah blah blah. In other words, it's all a monstrous injustice inflicted on him.

Ditto with Dylan's EMT:

I told my EMT Coordinator In Charge what we saw. The four of us from my squad who went were first congratulated for responding and doing such a good job, and later, two of us (the two that refused to "let it go") were brought up on charges of disorderly conduct, fired, and fined for the uniforms and equipment we used on 9/11 because they were ruined.
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As for the Sig_Int guy, one of the commenters over at the Looser Forum pointed out this little contradiction (which Sig_Int then edited out):

Two summers ago I met an old friend from the service (he's still in) and told him about my recordings.

A month later he telephoned me and asked to meet. He told me it would be in my best interests to destroy my tapes, as he'd destroyed his copies. I pressed him for details and reminded him a favour he owed me. I got him sotted, and he spilt the encryption scheme and how to distill the key.

A month later he apparently committed suicide.
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Dang, that's one dedicated guy, still in the service 22 months after he "apparently committed suicide".
 
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In case you are wondering, no. I'm not going to give you my full name or what city I worked for. I had enough trouble having it dragged through local newspapers for two years. I don't want to lose another job. I don't want you unfoundedly slandering my name all over the net like you do with Dylan, Jason, and whoever else offers a point of view other than yours. I'm not giving you my name, so do as you wish with what I've told you.


So this guy's name was in the local papers for two years and NOW he doesn't want to go public? Isn't it a little late for that? The USA is a big place. Why doesn't he just pack up and move someplace where they don't get his local paper? If he's an EMT he won't have too much trouble finding a job.

As they say, you can't BS a BSer, and as a BSer of long standing, I call BS on this.
 
Something that stood out in the letter for me. The phrase. "We were heros" In all my days I have never heard any emergency worker speak in those terms. In fact it is often hard to get them out of the humble unassuming mode to even accept they did something special

"Just doing my job" Seems more accurate to me
 
I was just told to "shut up", "forget about it", or "let it go, for my own good". I told my EMT Coordinator In Charge what we saw. The four of us from my squad who went were first congratulated for responding and doing such a good job, and later, two of us (the two that refused to "let it go") were brought up on charges of disorderly conduct, fired, and fined for the uniforms and equipment we used on 9/11 because they were ruined. The other two (who are women, one a mother of two, the other a mother of 3) now ref use to admit they were even there, even to us! They just won't speak about it. The four of us were heroes. Two of us were harrassed and fired, and the other two have to deny ever being there
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I don't get it; he claims to have done a great job, then is fined and fired and says nothing. He doesn't kick up a fuss or go to the media.

I call BS on this one.
 
I recall that, many many years ago (probably during the 80's) we had a three nights a week chat show on the bbc, hosted by Terry Wogan.

And one day he had as his guest the infamous Uri Geller.

Now geller did his usual tricks with the spoons etc, and it was all great fun, and no doubt geller got a nice fee for the show.

But then, a couple of days later, wogan decides to do a follow up to his geller piece by taking phone calls from some people who claimed strange things had happened while they had been watching the previous nights show. Things like watches or clocks which hadn't worked for years, suddenly springing into life. The usual crap.

So I'm sitting there watching this rubbish, and getting more and more annoyed at the stupidity of it all.

The callers claims were being made without any substantiation and without criticism. They were just accepted as fact.

No one asked, "well what was wrong with your clock in the first place? A broken spring? A seized joint? What had changed about that clock, internally, from how it was before the geller show to how it is now?"

Nope, no one asked them that.

Similarily, no one exclaimed "WOW!! This is amazing!!! This guy can repair inanimate objects without even being in close proximity to them!! This could be the greatest discovery of all time!! Think of the medical implications!! Surgery done without having to cut open the patient! Wow! Phew! etc etc"

So what, you're asking, has any of this to do with this thread?

Well, basically, Dylan has in his possesion a "WOW!!!" email. He has, for the first time, testimony from someone....an EMT for gods sake, who not only confirms their suspicions about wtc7, but implicates the emergency services in the conspiracy. WOW! Indeed.

But what is he going to do with this evidence?

The 'truthers' are like the Geller believers, in that they have this apparently cast iron (in their eyes) proof that they haven't wasted the last 5 years of their lives, and yet all they can do is sit there and bitch about how the JREF is disparaging this email.

Just like with Geller, they are seeing something they really want to believe is true, and yet they are frightened to find out whether it is true or just a trick, because their belief in the 9/11 CT or in bending spoons, is very, very fragile.

So they'll excuse themselves from having to check out the bonafides of this email by claiming that the poor soul who wrote it doesn't want media attention blah blah blah, and they will carry on in their little fantasy world believing that it must be true, because they want it to be true.
 
Excellent post uk_dave.

And now, a quick question for the CT'ers.

Why should I believe this email is legitimate?

If you are banned from here, or don't want to post here; my email is awaiting.
thedoc@911mysteriesguide.com
 
A W Smith said:
Mark. See if the comcast address owner has web space on comcast.
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/email name in header.

If hes in poverty he still has cable. Priorities I guess.


Also in your email client View to "show all headers" and verify the IP address shown is in fact a comcast mail server.
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Yes, the IP goes back to a Comcast server in New Jersey. I even typed in the address of the server and found other IPs going to the exact same location. This person is using Comcast and they are living in NJ.
 
Anonymous email to Roxdog said:
I called to speak to the FDNY, and NYPD. I told them what I knew and wanted know why the news reports were wrong. I wasn't told I was wrong. I wasn't even given a different explaination. I was just told to "shut up", "forget about it", or "let it go, for my own good".
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what might be interesting is to check through Roxdog's (or other CTers) postings and see if he also spells explanation like the anonymous poster did.

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The search function is down at Loose Change but I did find one persoon using the "explaination" spelling.

Reggie_perrin

Could be a typo or......?

Lurker
 
Lurker said:
what might be interesting is to check through Roxdog's (or other CTers) postings and see if he also spells explanation like the anonymous poster did.

Lurker
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Nice catch- and good thinking. Unfortunately, it looks like it's a common mistake among conspiracists to misspell this word- especially in the UK for some reason...
 
I just got through reading both letters on Dylan's blog. I noticed that being the weasel he is, he has left himself a bit of wiggle room when the letter is exposed as a fake. All quotes below are from Dylan's blog:

I got this in my Inbox and simply had to share it. I have made no adjustments or corrections whatsoever.
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Dylan doesn't claim it's real or that it's proof of anything, he simply wants to 'share it'. How nice of him.

Bet that won't be appearing on their blog any time soon.

Btw, I lied. I did make an adjustment: I removed his personal information. If this letter is true, then he obviously needs no more problems.
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Again, Dylan plays it safe, he pretends to be both sympathetic and skeptical at the same time.

Thanks alot, Mike. It means the world to us. We'll try and work something out for yourself and people like you as soon as humanly possible.

SLC...Are you ready to apologize to this man?
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When the letter is revealed to be a hoax, I predict those comments will mysteriously dissappear from the blog (considering the way the forum operates, I wouldn't be surprised if the letters are removed to).


As for the letter itself, it's obviously fake. Was it any surprise that the "EMT" doesn't want to be in Loose Change?

Dylan still hasn't learned his lesson from the infamous "Black boxes Found at the Smithsonian!" incident. Dylan is still throwing ***** against the wall to see what sticks.
 
Totovader said:
Nice catch- and good thinking. Unfortunately, it looks like it's a common mistake among conspiracists to misspell this word- especially in the UK for some reason...
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It's like looking for a troother who uses "should of" instead of "should have". I hate to generalize, but as a whole their grammar and spelling is grade-school level at best.
 
I suggest anyone to take screenshots of the blogs, just in case it is revealed that it is a hoax.
 
You know, the title of this thread somehow implies that this is something new for them. Pretty much from the start, they've been faking it, so why the surprise at this?
 
WildCat said:
Dylan feels that gravy train rolling away from him, and he is powerless to get on board.
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No, Dylan feels that train, called Gravy, rolling all over him.

With apologies to the memory of Warren Zevon:

(Sung to the tune of Poor, Poor, Pitiful Me, a Warren Zevon song that Linda Ronstadt made into a big hit)

Dylan laid his head
On the railroad tracks
Listenin for the train, Gra-vee
That ol' diesel smushed his film to pulp
Poor Dy - lan Averee

Poor, Dy - lan Aver - ee
Poor Dy - lanAveree
The truth ain't what he thinks it be
Lord have have mercy, he'll plea,
Whoa - oh poor Averee!



DR
 
WildCat said:
What a day for teh troof! Very entertaining on a weather day off. Tomorrow I have an inside job (yeah that's right troofers - a real inside job!) and will miss out on all the fun as the feces continues to hit the fan.

I swear I haven't laughed so much in one day in a long time, from Stundies "I'll illiterate" statement to the doh'p blowup to the faked email from the non-existent EMT.

What a day!
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Very true there! Just when I thought it was starting to get boring, this happened. The twoof movement never fails in the entertainment department!
 
On the issue of the claim that WTC7 was "pulled" and counted down on the bullhorn and all that- obviously a ridiculous claim, but isn't it possible to show that it's an outright lie? We have footage (Naudet, I believe) that is taken right next to a group of firefighters as 7 is falling. There is no countdown, there is no bullhorn. In fact, the firefighters are mildly surprised that it's falling- meaning the collapse was expected, but it was not known exactly when it was going to happen.

I hate to just reject claims out of inconsistency or contradiction with known facts- I like to show them undeniably that they're dead wrong...
 
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