Transgender man gives birth

[mike81]

*facepalm*

Nobody is making you date girls with dicks.

Seriously... is this what it's all about?

A question was asked and I answered.

 

[Brainster]

Just to keep everyone on the same page:

Nobody (in this thread) is saying that you need to date trans-gendered people. If you want to, that's cool, but nobody (here) is going to call you a bigot if you say "no thanks" to a girl with a dick.

Why not? After all a transwoman is a woman, right, whether or not she has had her male parts removed? And what about after the operation? Now there can be no possible objection to dating her, unless you're some bigot who can't get over the "ick" factor.

What trans-gendered people are asking for (at least what we're talking about in this thread) is that you kindly refer to them in the pronoun they chose, or not at all (at least to their face), and that you maybe allow them to use the bathroom/locker room that corresponds with the gender they are transitioning to.

And I think most of us are okay with them using the bathroom of the gender they are transitioning to, and fine with them using the locker room of the gender they have completed the transition to. But no, we are not fine with them using the locker room of the gender they have not completed the transition to.

 

[uke2se]

Why not? After all a transwoman is a woman, right, whether or not she has had her male parts removed? And what about after the operation? Now there can be no possible objection to dating her, unless you're some bigot who can't get over the "ick" factor.

The same reason I'm not making you date anyone else.

And I think most of us are okay with them using the bathroom of the gender they are transitioning to, and fine with them using the locker room of the gender they have completed the transition to. But no, we are not fine with them using the locker room of the gender they have not completed the transition to.

Why not? What harm does it do to you?

 

[mike81]

The same reason I'm not making you date anyone else.




Why not? What harm does it do to you?

Maybe someone does not want their child exposed to genitals of the opposite sex? Maybe some grown adults don't want to?

 

[uke2se]

Maybe someone does not want their child exposed to genitals of the opposite sex?

Then tell the kid not to oogle other people's genitals?

And if they do catch a glance of a willy, what harm do you imagine it would do to the child?

 

[ponderingturtle]

Maybe someone does not want their child exposed to genitals of the opposite sex? Maybe some grown adults don't want to?

And you are totally comfortable with transwomen in your locker room. It is clear you are not comfortable with trans men.

These arguments always seem disingenuous as there seems to be a discomfort with all trans people. Not simply those of the same gender.

 

[xjx388]

Just to keep everyone on the same page:

Nobody (in this thread) is saying that you need to date trans-gendered people. If you want to, that's cool, but nobody (here) is going to call you a bigot if you say "no thanks" to a girl with a dick.

I agree that nobody in this thread is doing that. But this conversation is also about what those in the transgendered community want from larger society.

What trans-gendered people are asking for (at least what we're talking about in this thread) is that you kindly refer to them in the pronoun they chose, or not at all (at least to their face), and that you maybe allow them to use the bathroom/locker room that corresponds with the gender they are transitioning to.

All if it's not too bloody much to ask, of course.

But that does not reflect what some in the actual transgendered community is asking of us.

https://www.theodysseyonline.com/no-dont-have-to-tell-you-im-trans-before-dating-you

http://everydayfeminism.com/2016/12/dating-preferences-discriminatory/

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/0...-through-non-attraction-to-transgender-women/

So yeah, we are being asked to "work through" our issues with dating a transgendered person.

 

[GlennB]

Maybe by that time you're too into it to stop. Is that what's frightening you?

I don't even begin to understand what you're saying here. Please explain.

 

[xjx388]

Exactly you are not an american, you are a mexican american. Just like the trans man is not a man only a transman.

American does not include mexican american and Man does not include transman simple really.

Other wise you have Men as a category that includes both cis men and trans men. Like American including white americans, african americans, mexican americans and that would be crazy.

On a sociocultural level, I mostly agree with you. Men does include transmen.

Biology, not so much.

 

[ponderingturtle]

I agree that nobody in this thread is doing that. But this conversation is also about what those in the transgendered community want from larger society.


But that does not reflect what some in the actual transgendered community is asking of us.

https://www.theodysseyonline.com/no-dont-have-to-tell-you-im-trans-before-dating-you

http://everydayfeminism.com/2016/12/dating-preferences-discriminatory/

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/0...-through-non-attraction-to-transgender-women/

So yeah, we are being asked to "work through" our issues with dating a transgendered person.

And think all they need to worry about is being assaulted and murdered. Totally feel for you.

 

[xjx388]

I don't even begin to understand what you're saying here. Please explain.

Uke2se seems to be saying that if you were attracted to the transwoman enough to get to the sex stage and then you get un-attracted when you see the penis or find out they were born male, then maybe somewhere in your heart of hearts, you're afraid that you are homosexual.

Maybe we've had it wrong all this time: Maybe sexual attraction is learned and not innately biological. Guess we should start up the conversion therapy again!

 

[Belz...]

This extreme left wing nonsense is just as bad a extreme right wing nonsense. It's like they are saying mind your own business, but at the same time telling everyone else how they should act and feel.

Hear, hear.

Then tell the kid not to oogle other people's genitals?

And if they do catch a glance of a willy, what harm do you imagine it would do to the child?

I'd say about as much harm, on average, as being told you're not a biological woman just because you believe that you are.

 

[theprestige]

Is discomfort or expectation of discomfort a reason to exclude a group of people from something carte blanche? It seems like we have, on occasion, rejected that idea. By "we" I mean our representative system or society in general, not people on this forum in general or specific.

We have also, on occasion, embraced that idea.

This signature is intended to irradiate people.

 

[Belz...]

On a sociocultural level, I mostly agree with you. Men does include transmen.

Biology, not so much.

Personally I don't see a need for the distinction unless we're talking about post-op trans-men.

 

[mgidm86]

Uke2se seems to be saying that if you were attracted to the transwoman enough to get to the sex stage and then you get un-attracted when you see the penis or find out they were born male, then maybe somewhere in your heart of hearts, you're afraid that you are homosexual.

Maybe we've had it wrong all this time: Maybe sexual attraction is learned and not innately biological. Guess we should start up the conversion therapy again!

Nice!

There are certain people who seem to believe, or want it believed by others, that everybody is a bit gay but they just don't realize it. It somehow reinforces their own gayness and makes them feel more normal. I guess. Seems silly.

My step sister is gay but I don't know many other gay people so my experience is limited. I just don't see people really giving a crap about most of this stuff. We are talking about the fringe of the fringe.

I think the people causing most of the fuss are lawyers with an agenda.

 

[Belz...]

There are certain people who seem to believe, or want it believed by others, that everybody is a bit gay but they just don't realize it. It somehow reinforces their own gayness and makes them feel more normal. I guess. Seems silly.

Everybody's a bit left-handed. That's how I sleep at night.

 

[GlennB]

Uke2se seems to be saying that if you were attracted to the transwoman enough to get to the sex stage and then you get un-attracted when you see the penis or find out they were born male, then maybe somewhere in your heart of hearts, you're afraid that you are homosexual.

Ah, I see. But no, that isn't it.

He (theoretically) was attracted to the head+shoulders photo on the dating website and the chat that ensued.

In person he noticed that his date was all the wrong shape for a 'biological woman' and had rather a deep voice. Plus a hint of 5 o'clock shadow. Pretty soon the mistake became clear and he delicately asked his date "ytf didn't you tell me????. I've driven 40 miles for this poxy useless date with a person whose genitals are ************ male, and I can't even picture getting excited by that. Just be honest next time, ffs. Good luck, you moron!"

 

[sir drinks-a-lot]

I think the people causing most of the fuss are lawyers with an agenda.

True. And it's also unsurpassed fodder for virtue signalers.

 

[p0lka]

Because it shows that trans men are not real men. Think of it worded like this

Real American
African American.

You see the problem.

but transmen are not real men. That's why they go through the whole trans thing in the first place.
If they were really the thing they wanted to be then they would not have to change a thing about themselves to get there.

 

[qayak]

Because it shows that trans men are not real men. Think of it worded like this

Real American
African American.

You see the problem.

The problem is with your logic.

Forged Picasso
Real Picasso

There is, without question, a difference even with your mistaken use of the word "real" in your comparison. The issue is more accurately, and less inflammitorily, expressed this way:

Transman
Man

Once again there is an obvious difference.