Today's Mass Shooting

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42 mass shootings so far this month. At this rate, it's likely to exceed last months record-breaking amount which surpassed the prior months record-breaking amount.

177 shot + 34 dead including a one-year-old baby boy who was shot in the stomach at a cookout in what is reported to be a drive-by shooting.

There will be no media satellite trucks in front of his home broadcasting this tragedy to the world. There will be no protests, looting or rioting. there will be no Black Lives Matter protests, probably not even as much as a fundraiser to help his family with the the funeral costs.

Nobody really gives a **** about his black life because this is just another run-of-the-mill black on black shooting and not a cop pulling the trigger.

As many as three suspects drove up in a dark-colored SUV and parked in front of the victims. They then hopped out of the vehicle and opened fire, sources said.
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https://nypost.com/2020/07/13/1-yea...utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPTwitter
 
Bogative said:
42 mass shootings so far this month. At this rate, it's likely to exceed last months record-breaking amount which surpassed the prior months record-breaking amount.

177 shot + 34 dead including a one-year-old baby boy who was shot in the stomach at a cookout in what is reported to be a drive-by shooting.

There will be no media satellite trucks in front of his home broadcasting this tragedy to the world. There will be no protests, looting or rioting. there will be no Black Lives Matter protests, probably not even as much as a fundraiser to help his family with the the funeral costs.

Nobody really gives a **** about his black life because this is just another run-of-the-mill black on black shooting and not a cop pulling the trigger.


https://nypost.com/2020/07/13/1-yea...utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPTwitter
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Yup, nobody cares.

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You're the only person on this forum who doesn't understand the difference between a cop unjustifiably killing a member of the community vs a criminal unjustifiably killing a member of the community.

Three guesses as to which one is the correct explanation. :rolleyes:



But by all means, do continue tossing around your salty tears because nobody here will recognize your faux indignation at all. You're just too darn cunningly smart n' stuff.

 
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WHY DOESN'T AN ACTIVIST GROUP FORMED TO ADDRESS A SPECIFIC FORM OF VIOLENCE CARE ABOUT OTHER FORMS OF VIOLENCE? WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!
 
AnonyMoose said:
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You're the only person on this forum who doesn't understand the difference between a cop unjustifiably killing a member of the community vs a criminal unjustifiably killing a member of the community.
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To be fair, this thread is for mass shootings, even though I believe the original poster had intended it to be for four or more people killed as opposed to four or more people shot. As far as I'm concerned, despite Bogative's apparent agenda, his posts in this thread are on topic. People firing guns indiscriminately without regard to the race of the shooter or victims is a problem in the States that we don't see in other parts of the world with which the USA typically identifies, notably Canada, Europe, and Oceania and probably South-East Asia.
 
Blue Mountain said:
To be fair, this thread is for mass shootings, even though I believe the original poster had intended it to be for four or more people killed as opposed to four or more people shot. As far as I'm concerned, despite Bogative's apparent agenda, his posts in this thread are on topic. People firing guns indiscriminately without regard to the race of the shooter or victims is a problem in the States that we don't see in other parts of the world with which the USA typically identifies, notably Canada, Europe, and Oceania and probably South-East Asia.
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I think Checkmite's comment is most pertinent here.

Checkmite said:
WHY DOESN'T AN ACTIVIST GROUP FORMED TO ADDRESS A SPECIFIC FORM OF VIOLENCE CARE ABOUT OTHER FORMS OF VIOLENCE? WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!
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Bogative is inflicting on this thread a barrage of tu quoque. And that, as you know, is a logical fallacy.
 
Checkmite said:
WHY DOESN'T AN ACTIVIST GROUP FORMED TO ADDRESS A SPECIFIC FORM OF VIOLENCE CARE ABOUT OTHER FORMS OF VIOLENCE? WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!
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You really should go to blacklivesmatter.com and study up.

They were formed to do many things, and continue to do many other things now, other than to address a specific form of violence.

White supremacy, vigilantism, queer folk, trans folk, disabled folk, undocumented folk, folks with record and women are all mentioned.

BLM’s #WhatMatters2020 will focus on issues concerning racial injustice, police brutality, criminal justice reform, Black immigration, economic injustice, LGBTQIA+ and human rights, environmental injustice, access to healthcare, access to quality education, and voting rights and suppression.
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The movement is involved in a whole lot of activism about a whole lot subjects, yet they can't be bothered to notice the elephant in the room.
 
Bogative said:
You really should go to blacklivesmatter.com and study up.
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I think you should take your own advice about studying, and pay attention to how your chosen website has a link to a list of "chapters" that don't include any in Minneapolis, Atlanta, Seattle, or many other places where there has obviously been heavy BLM activism post-Floyd. A few of your posts ago you mentioned a crime in your "neck of the woods" that hasn't been responded to by your "very active local BLM"...but your blacklivesmatter.com website doesn't have any chapters anywhere nearby. It's almost as if this link, which oddly talks about some "global organization in the US, UK, and Canada", isn't actually representative of the wider BLM movement, but is just another smaller group that uses the slogan too, and its platform is only its own platform.
 
arthwollipot said:
I think Checkmite's comment is most pertinent here.

Bogative is inflicting on this thread a barrage of tu quoque. And that, as you know, is a logical fallacy.
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Yes, if we were arguing in a purely logical vacuum, it would be a tu quoque. But on this forum, we are arguing against specific posters and their body of work, as the phrase has it. Calling out the hypocrisy of a theme is fair game while we are hearkening back to an adversary's positions from years back. 'What you always say' negates tu quoque as foul play.
 
Thermal said:
Yes, if we were arguing in a purely logical vacuum, it would be a tu quoque. But on this forum, we are arguing against specific posters and their body of work, as the phrase has it. Calling out the hypocrisy of a theme is fair game while we are hearkening back to an adversary's positions from years back. 'What you always say' negates tu quoque as foul play.
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But the theme being "called out" was not featured in this thread. This thread was about mass shootings generally; Bogative has chosen to focus specifically on mass shootings he thinks were committed by black people, in order to support via insinuation his theorem that black people are violent and animalistic and as a passive-aggressive protest against people elsewhere in the forum in other threads giving what he deems to be too much attention to the activities of violent white supremacists and other racists.
 
Checkmite said:
I think you should take your own advice about studying, and pay attention to how your chosen website has a link to a list of "chapters" that don't include any in Minneapolis, Atlanta, Seattle, or many other places where there has obviously been heavy BLM activism post-Floyd. A few of your posts ago you mentioned a crime in your "neck of the woods" that hasn't been responded to by your "very active local BLM"...but your blacklivesmatter.com website doesn't have any chapters anywhere nearby. It's almost as if this link, which oddly talks about some "global organization in the US, UK, and Canada", isn't actually representative of the wider BLM movement, but is just another smaller group that uses the slogan too, and its platform is only its own platform.
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Rookie mistake.

The real website is BlackLivesMatter.Mao
 
Checkmite said:
It's almost as if this link, which oddly talks about some "global organization in the US, UK, and Canada", isn't actually representative of the wider BLM movement, but is just another smaller group that uses the slogan too, and its platform is only its own platform.
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False.
 
Checkmite said:
Bogative has chosen to focus specifically on mass shootings he thinks were committed by black people
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Liar. Go back to where I started posting in this thread up until the end of June(when I stopped posting shootings every day because it was too time-consuming) and compare that to what was posted at gva.org. You will find that I posted every single mass shooting as they listed them daily. It's possible that I missed a few because there are, occasionally, shootings that gva.org does not post the day of the incident. I did not specifically focus on anything, I posted them all.

in order to support via insinuation his theorem that black people are violent and animalistic
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No theory necessary, the data prove that black people are more violent than other races, per capita, in America.

I said "animalistic," you got a link for that?
 
Checkmite said:
But the theme being "called out" was not featured in this thread. This thread was about mass shootings generally; Bogative has chosen to focus specifically on mass shootings he thinks were committed by black people, in order to support via insinuation his theorem that black people are violent and animalistic and as a passive-aggressive protest against people elsewhere in the forum in other threads giving what he deems to be too much attention to the activities of violent white supremacists and other racists.
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It depends on what you view the theme to be, no? I think Bogative might see this as over concern about one guy shooting a lot of people, as opposed to one class of people who shoot a hell of a lot more, in toto. Which should we be more concerned about, in terms of actual mass shooting? The better individual marksmen, or the group which regularly racks up a higher body count? Should a Dylan Roof be the focus of a Mass Shooting discussion, or the Crips?

I agree that the theme on this thread is more 'wtf is with Americans mass murdering with guns so often', but I think Bogative is addressing that, just with a different spin. Properly, his argument is at best tangental on this thread. Mass shooters are usually thought of as an individual going out to kill a high umber of people semi/randomly. Gang shooting is targeted, but often sloppy, so not really the same theme.

Anywhoo, the point was just that tu quoque is not fallacious as we argue on the forum. We discuss very much as individuals with a body of work and reputations, and often argue as teams. So hypocrisy/dishonesty is a clean call, even though it is fallacious in a standalone debate.
 
This depiction of the attitudes of your average US racist towards spree shooters pretty much sums it up for me....

SpreeShooters.jpg
 
smartcooky said:
This depiction of the attitudes of your average US racist towards spree shooters pretty much sums it up for me....

[qimg]https://www.dropbox.com/s/6z5pawajpcau3gp/SpreeShooters.jpg?raw=1[/qimg]
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I don't recall any black spree shooters, although there have been so many spree shooters that it's easy to lose track of them.

The white spree shooters tend to be "all people who own guns guilty", or at least "all gun enthusiasts guilty". If the shooter happens to be politically motivated, like the guy who shot up the Republican baseball practice a while back, some will try to ensure that some of the blame flows onto those with similar views.
 
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Checkmite said:
I think you should take your own advice about studying, and pay attention to how your chosen website has a link to a list of "chapters" that don't include any in Minneapolis, Atlanta, Seattle, or many other places where there has obviously been heavy BLM activism post-Floyd. A few of your posts ago you mentioned a crime in your "neck of the woods" that hasn't been responded to by your "very active local BLM"...but your blacklivesmatter.com website doesn't have any chapters anywhere nearby. It's almost as if this link, which oddly talks about some "global organization in the US, UK, and Canada", isn't actually representative of the wider BLM movement, but is just another smaller group that uses the slogan too, and its platform is only its own platform.
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It's not really Bogative's fault that black lives matter has a crappy website or is simply not very organized. Perhaps you could share with us the black lives matter website that does represent the movement since the blacklivesmatter.com is just some offshoot of the international organization.
 
CaptainHowdy said:
It's not really Bogative's fault that black lives matter has a crappy website or is simply not very organized. Perhaps you could share with us the black lives matter website that does represent the movement since the blacklivesmatter.com is just some offshoot of the international organization.
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This implies that blacklivesmatter is an organisation.
 
Wolrab said:
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https://blacklivesmatter.com/about/
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I may send them a note as there's a misprint. Black Lives Matter Foundation, Inc. is not affiliated with Black Lives Matter Global Network.

"The Black Lives Matter Foundation" Raised Millions. It's Not Affiliated With The Black Lives Matter Movement.

“I don't have anything to do with the Black Lives Matter Global Network. I never met them; never spoke to them. I don't know them; I have no relationship with them,” Robert Ray Barnes, the founder of the Black Lives Matter Foundation, told BuzzFeed News in a lengthy interview. “Our whole thing is having unity with the police department."
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Then, of course there's the "BLM movement" being claimed by whoever wants to (even white girls in high school chicken scrawling it in spraypaint while people of color tell them not to). Anyone can add a hashtag to a post.

So yes there is an "official" legally distinct entity operating, as well as other such entities with similar names, as well as the idea of BLM. None of them are beholden to each other.

I think I read the Global Nerwork has chapters in 16 cities. They can't be responsible for everything happening across the planet, despite their lofty name.
 
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