Today's Mass Shooting

[Bogative]

It's not a question of priority, but of obscenity. We expect bad guys to kill and do bad guy stuff. That's kind of their thing.

Proving my point exactly. BLM and America's left don't find the shooting deaths of dozens of black people in less than a month obscene because black lives aren't actually their priority.

 

[Delphic Oracle]

Proving my point exactly. BLM and America's left don't find the shooting deaths of dozens of black people in less than a month obscene because black lives aren't actually their priority.

The big hurdle is that we know how to fix the problem, but the only thing that happens in response to this statistic is more police, more arrests, and more prisons.

It is a conditioned response to leave the issue alone because the overwhelming cause-effect relationship of indulging the discussion just makes it worse.

Every example of similar socioeconomic disparity in a minority group or otherwise oppressed community exhibits the same behaviors.

Plus, as said, there is a more egregious concern when officials with enhanced powers and privileges behave the same way a disempowered individual does.

 

[William Parcher]

How dat?

What is wrong with you? Do you have the slows today?

You didn't even ask for a context before you said that armed white suburban daddy runs away. You just blurted it out. You didn't ask something like, "Uh, so is this face-to-face encounter happening at the edge of a cliff, or something?"

You blew it.

 

[William Parcher]

Proving my point exactly. BLM and America's left don't find the shooting deaths of dozens of black people in less than a month obscene because black lives aren't actually their priority.

The priority is to knock the police down flat before you turn your attention to murderous black gangs that slaughter black people as if it was a city and suburban sport.

When the police are nullified, then the attention can be turned to the true priority of saving maximum Black Lives. And because Black Lives Matter you go forwards to stop all of that murder stuff by trying to convince black people that black lives really do matter, and stop killing black people like you some kinda white redneck cop on steroids.

 

[Thermal]

Proving my point exactly. BLM and America's left don't find the shooting deaths of dozens of black people in less than a month obscene because black lives aren't actually their priority.

Well...yes and no. And sort of, on the side.

BLM is primarily about the State and law-abiding society treating POC as equally valuable. A better moniker would be Black Lives Matter Too, IMO. Cops have a believed duty to protect all citizens, not just certain ones and being less concerned with others, and to assume nothing different when initially seeing a black face than when seeing a white one. On this, I agree with them.

But you are extrapolating this to the gutter level, where no such entrusting or empowering is expected. I agree that many Great White Saviors have exponentially higher behavioral expectations of white people than POC, and that grates on my nerves more than it does for many others. A black guy randomly attacking a white person is 'just unpleasant', but a white busybody calling police over a minor infraction is national news worthy. I agree that such advocates tacitly expect more from whites, and that is a far sleazier POV than they realize.

But it is ultimately a crossed wire thing. Low life street crime by low life street criminals is one issue. Taxpayer paid police partaking in it is dramatically another issue. You could make a strong argument for why there are more Mowing the Lawn While Black threads than discussion on how to resolve violent crime plagued areas and break the cycles of poverty and lack of opportunities and education. The interest is strangely focused on the former.

 

[Thermal]

What is wrong with you? Do you have the slows today?

You didn't even ask for a context before you said that armed white suburban daddy runs away. You just blurted it out. You didn't ask something like, "Uh, so is this face-to-face encounter happening at the edge of a cliff, or something?"

You blew it.

Yeah, I'm experimenting with addressing what a poster appears to be trying to say, rather than bogging down in theoretical minutiae.

For context, we'd have to play 20 questions four or five times over, and the point of the question would get lost. Is antifa dad a fighter? How's he feeling today? Any injuries? Ever killed before? fight with the missus this morning, or just came off a nooner?

So I respond to what you seem to be asking. Were you asking something else? I kind of like it when people are really asking something else.

 

[William Parcher]

But BLM isn't going to stop the murderous black gangs. Nobody can. This is lucrative organized crime and it is most certainly Murder Incorporated. Black on black murder - and they are open for business 24 hours a day every day, including holidays. But what about the black holidays? Blood everywhere.

We destroyed Al Capone and that murderous Mafia gang stuff. Italians slaughtering Italians and anyone else who would get in their way. You can call Italians "white guys". These white guys with their gangs HAD to be totally eliminated from the streets with extreme prejudice.

One procedure might be to immediately ventilate these white guys with your Tommy Gun, then pull the gun out of their pocket (they always have one) and lay it there - calling the whole thing self-defense. It actually was self-defense because that white guy was going to kill you if you didn't kill him first. If you can't kill these white bastards then at least beat the crap out of them and hit them with resisting arrest. Then they go to a hospital before trial but by then they've got you on your Mafia stuff too We accomplished much of that victory by treating these murderous white criminals in ways that they treat their victims. No quarter, and sorry we desperately don't want you back on the streets because gangster is a life thing. It was made easier by not having riot protests with everyone carrying "Italian Lives Matter" signs and shirts and tattoos. Nobody would carry a "White Lives Matter" sign because what does that mean? A whole range of people were being killed by Mafia, but the never-ending staple was white-on-white murder. I don't think America was firing its cops because Mafia guys were showing up at the station in handcuffs and two black eyes.

It's all different now because the gang criminals are black instead of white. They want a whole different kind of police force now. You can't just whack on black people like you can with white people. It's different.

 

[Meadmaker]

Proving my point exactly. BLM and America's left don't find the shooting deaths of dozens of black people in less than a month obscene because black lives aren't actually their priority.

Let me begin by saying that I think the way you have commandeered this thread is actually pretty ok. I think you have a point, and an important one. I'm not sure the important point is the one you really wanted to make, but it's still valuable. The fact is that lots of people are shot every single day in America. Most of them don't make headlines because it's just so common. That's an important point.

When it comes to race, what people had in mind for this thread was a single thread devoted to the cases like Columbine or San Bernardino or Palmdale (Palmdale? The place in Florida. Seventeen dead. March for Our Lives. That one.) where a gunman opens up in an attempt to kill as many people as possible before they are gunned down, captured, or commit suicide. It's interesting to me that with so many examples, I can't recall a black shooter in any of them.

 

[Bogative]

Well...yes and no. And sort of, on the side.

You make good points and I generally agree with most of them. I think a more appropriate name for BLM would be .002% of Black Lives Matter, that is the percentage of yearly black homicides that are caused by unjustified killings of unarmed blacks by police.

What has me so irritated is the double standard that is commonly exhibited in these matters. The difference between George Floyd and Tony Timpa for example. One is a worldwide event and the other is virtually unheard of despite similar circumstances with the major difference being color of the victims skin.

 

[carrps]

When it comes to race, what people had in mind for this thread was a single thread devoted to the cases like Columbine or San Bernardino or Palmdale (Palmdale? The place in Florida.

Parkland. Palmdale is in CA.

 

[Delphic Oracle]

You make good points and I generally agree with most of them. I think a more appropriate name for BLM would be .002% of Black Lives Matter, that is the percentage of yearly black homicides that are caused by unjustified killings of unarmed blacks by police.



What has me so irritated is the double standard that is commonly exhibited in these matters. The difference between George Floyd and Tony Timpa for example. One is a worldwide event and the other is virtually unheard of despite similar circumstances with the major difference being color of the victims skin.

Some criminals killing other rival criminals is "similar circumstances" to randomly opening fire on innocent people with a vague social motive? Possibly psychologically unwell? Officers of the court using unjustified levels of force?

Your "similar circumstances" is far too broad to make sense of.

It's a sad kind of concern trolling.

 

[Bogative]

Let me begin by saying that I think the way you have commandeered this thread is actually pretty ok. I think you have a point, and an important one. I'm not sure the important point is the one you really wanted to make, but it's still valuable. The fact is that lots of people are shot every single day in America. Most of them don't make headlines because it's just so common. That's an important point.

When it comes to race, what people had in mind for this thread was a single thread devoted to the cases like Columbine or San Bernardino or Palmdale (Palmdale? The place in Florida. Seventeen dead. March for Our Lives. That one.) where a gunman opens up in an attempt to kill as many people as possible before they are gunned down, captured, or commit suicide. It's interesting to me that with so many examples, I can't recall a black shooter in any of them.

I understand why the high-profile spree shootings with high body and victim counts receive more attention than a lot of the black-on-black shootings with lower victim counts do. What I'm more interested in is why the MSM almost completely ignore some of the high victim count shootings that occurred last weekend. 11 shot at a movie theater in Minneapolis and 4 killed, 5 shot with 4 more injured by fleeing vehicles, not to mention dozens and dozens of shots being fired, including fully automatic machine gun fire captured on video. If that is not newsworthy, I don't know what is. My best guess is the media don't want to portray a certain demographic in a bad light and show how violent they can be.

 

[Bogative]

Some criminals killing other rival criminals is "similar circumstances" to randomly opening fire on innocent people with a vague social motive? Possibly psychologically unwell? Officers of the court using unjustified levels of force?

Your "similar circumstances" is far too broad to make sense of.

It's a sad kind of concern trolling.

I was referring to Tony Timpa and George Floyd specifically when I say similar circumstances.

 

[Meadmaker]

Dupe

 

[Meadmaker]

I understand why the high-profile spree shootings with high body and victim counts receive more attention than a lot of the black-on-black shootings with lower victim counts do. What I'm more interested in is why the MSM almost completely ignore some of the high victim count shootings that occurred last weekend. 11 shot at a movie theater in Minneapolis and 4 killed, 5 shot with 4 more injured by fleeing vehicles, not to mention dozens and dozens of shots being fired, including fully automatic machine gun fire captured on video. If that is not newsworthy, I don't know what is. My best guess is the media don't want to portray a certain demographic in a bad light and show how violent they can be.

Can't argue with you there.

11 shot, four dead? You're right. I didn't even know it had happened.

ETA: And I googled it and couldn't find it. I think I might be misunderstanding of your description.

 

[smartcooky]

But BLM isn't going to stop the murderous black gangs. Nobody can. This is lucrative organized crime and it is most certainly Murder Incorporated. Black on black murder - and they are open for business 24 hours a day every day, including holidays. But what about the black holidays? Blood everywhere.

We destroyed Al Capone and that murderous Mafia gang stuff. Italians slaughtering Italians and anyone else who would get in their way. You can call Italians "white guys". These white guys with their gangs HAD to be totally eliminated from the streets with extreme prejudice.

One procedure might be to immediately ventilate these white guys with your Tommy Gun, then pull the gun out of their pocket (they always have one) and lay it there - calling the whole thing self-defense. It actually was self-defense because that white guy was going to kill you if you didn't kill him first. If you can't kill these white bastards then at least beat the crap out of them and hit them with resisting arrest. Then they go to a hospital before trial but by then they've got you on your Mafia stuff too We accomplished much of that victory by treating these murderous white criminals in ways that they treat their victims. No quarter, and sorry we desperately don't want you back on the streets because gangster is a life thing. It was made easier by not having riot protests with everyone carrying "Italian Lives Matter" signs and shirts and tattoos. Nobody would carry a "White Lives Matter" sign because what does that mean? A whole range of people were being killed by Mafia, but the never-ending staple was white-on-white murder. I don't think America was firing its cops because Mafia guys were showing up at the station in handcuffs and two black eyes.

It's all different now because the gang criminals are black instead of white. They want a whole different kind of police force now. You can't just whack on black people like you can with white people. It's different.

What a load of horse's cock!

The BLM movement is not about armed black gangsters killing other armed black gangsters. Its not even about cops killing armed black gangsters.

Its about racial equality!
Its about treating people with respect and kindness regardless of their skin colour!
Its about not profiling them because of their skin colour!
Its about fair and equal treatment by law enforcement!
Its about not killing unarmed people just because they are black!

What you have tried to do here is equate the Mafia with people like

George Floyd
Tamir Rice
Michael Brown
Eric Garner
Philando Castile
Breonna Taylor
Ezell Ford
David McAtee
Frank Smart
Sandra Bland
Jerame Reid
Dante Parker
Marlon Lewis
Mya Hall
Akai Gurley
Jonathan Sanders
Alston Sterling
Botham Jean
Keith Lamont Scott
Laquan McDonald
Salvado Ellswood

...and many, many more. These people were not gangsters, they were just ordinary citizens.... unarmed ordinary citizens. They were murdered by police without hesitation and without even a second thought

 

[William Parcher]

Some criminals killing other rival criminals is "similar circumstances" to randomly opening fire on innocent people with a vague social motive? Possibly psychologically unwell? Officers of the court using unjustified levels of force?

Your "similar circumstances" is far too broad to make sense of.

It's a sad kind of concern trolling.

It's amazing how similar the continually murderous black gangbangers are to the white spree shooters. Both kill innocent randos. The black guy is aiming for his summary street execution but he isn't a good shot so nearby innocent randos get tombstones and these are black people. This stuff happens every day. Black babies get killed too. It starts instantly on the street with little or no warning and everyone just dives for cover if they can. Grandmothers have to hit the dirt to get themselves low. Every freaking day!

Later the gangbanger will be told by his gangmates that, "You killed the wrong 'n word'. "'N word', you killed an innocent 'n word'." Then the response. "'N word' you do that too. It happens. Whatever. They was standing right with Black P Stone Nation. I thought they was them. These 'n words' gotta start knowing who you don't stand with. Nobody got any common sense around here, and that's why this happens. 'N word', you know already that."

They are both wearing Black Lives Matter shirts. One also has it as tattoo.

I'm curious if white mass shooters kill as many innocent randos as the black gangsters with their "accidental friendly fire". But maybe we shouldn't even call it "friendly" if the black mass shooters don't even think that black lives matter. That ain't friendly nothin. But who is killed more? ISF always wants to know who be killing more. It's whitey. Whitey always kill more. And even if blackie did kill more, only a fool would think that that whole situation wasn't caused by whitey. I pity the fool!

Well maybe they are clinically insane. Maybe those white shooters are too. Maybe all of all of those guys need therapy. But the white guys would need it first because they be doin all the killin. Look at the news you see white mass shooters is all the time. You don't see that for black people. And they even got internet forums where they got huge like lists like they document the white mass killahs. They don't do that for black people because the numbers be low. They do it with cops too because they be killing us all the time. They show millions of white cops bustin on and killing black people. But you don't even see the worst of it because they power down the cameras on their chest. All them white people need therapy or something right away. Maybe only bullets can stop them. Like you be shooting zombies.

 

[William Parcher]

What a load of horse's cock!

What you have tried to do here is equate the Mafia with people like

George Floyd
Tamir Rice
Michael Brown
Eric Garner
Philando Castile
Breonna Taylor
Ezell Ford
David McAtee
Frank Smart
Sandra Bland
Jerame Reid
Dante Parker
Marlon Lewis
Mya Hall
Akai Gurley
Jonathan Sanders
Alston Sterling
Botham Jean
Keith Lamont Scott
Laquan McDonald
Salvado Ellswood

You are almost 100% correct. All of those people are Mafia except for Akai Gurley, because the Mafia don't take nobody in with a name like that. You almost had it perfectly.

Why do they keep setting me up like this? Don't these people ever learn?

 

[Delphic Oracle]

As does eventually happen, so many edgy apologists eventually reveal they were loyal believers all along.

 

[William Parcher]

As does eventually happen, so many edgy apologists eventually reveal they were loyal believers all along.

Apologist? Delph, I'm a straight up growling and biting racist. You can see it in every one of my posts. I have constantly got my knee on blackie's neck. I don't get off to let them breathe. I am rotten to the core. A bad apple, right there in the fruited plain.