Today's Mass Shooting

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The Don said:
OTOH those in the US appear to love guns. A significant minority of people own one or more, restrictions on use and ownership are comparatively benign and 10,000 people a year are killed using them and yet any restrictions on the use and ownership of guns is fought tooth and nail.
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Every time you hear a European bugman mention "second amendment" or "The NRA" it's a red flag he has no idea what he's talking about. He knows he'll get hi-fives from other European bugmen but most Americans find it cringe.
 
I am thinking this whole situation is ridiculous.
Specifically in Virginia/Virginia Beach.
This man purchased his guns legally.
He is allowed to carry them in public buildings except courtrooms and schools.

Of course from time to time people will shoot dead whoever they choose.
America is used to it and nothing needs to change in accordance with the constitution. Generally it is still more dangerous to drive a car, but not to fly in America.
 
Samson said:
Generally it is still more dangerous to drive a car, but not to fly in America.
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That's because it's far more difficult to take a gun on a plane than it is to bring a gun with you in a car :p

I'd question that it's more dangerous to drive because comparing raw casualty and death numbers doesn't take account of usage. That's like saying that playing golf is more dangerous than climbing Everest because more people globally die each year doing the latter than the former.
 
The Don said:
OTOH those in the US appear to love guns. A significant minority of people own one or more, restrictions on use and ownership are comparatively benign and 10,000 people a year are killed using them and yet any restrictions on the use and ownership of guns is fought tooth and nail.
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Baylor said:
Every time you hear a European bugman mention "second amendment" or "The NRA" it's a red flag he has no idea what he's talking about. He knows he'll get hi-fives from other European bugmen but most Americans find it cringe.
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I would love to give Don a high five unfortunately he didn't mention "second amendment" or "The NRA".

Please try to read the posts you quote and make sure your comments are relevant to the quote, as you are getting us bugmen excited for no reason.
 
Lothian said:
I would love to give Don a high five unfortunately he didn't mention "second amendment" or "The NRA".

Please try to read the posts you quote and make sure your comments are relevant to the quote, as you are getting us bugmen excited for no reason.
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Hi five!

The Don said:
Simply untrue. We don't have groups of people dedicated to ensuring access for people to acid, there are no constitutional protections for people's access to acid and the government has been able to introduce stringent restrictions on access to acid with absolutely no complaints from the public at large.

OTOH any attempt to restrict access to guns in the US is met with howls of protest from the NRA and other pressure groups.



There may be some restrictions but they're pretty minor compared to those in most developed countries and have been fought tooth and nail by the NRA. There has been no similar complaints for the introduction of far stricter restrictions on public access to acids in the UK.
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Please try to read the posts you quote and make sure your comments are relevant to the quote, as you are getting us bugmen excited for no reason.
 
thaiboxerken said:
The NRA is happy about this, it will drive up gun sales.
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The NRA hates it when things like this happen but we live in the world that we do and schools need guards to protect them. Massacres happen in places where good guys are unarmed and the bad guys are.

Lunatics like this shooter usually say or do something to warn whoever is around them, not always but I bet the shooter gave warning of some kind and the school and the people who heard the warning should have acted accordingly. A mass shooting was averted because a student overheard two kids making plans and told the police.

As a gun owner myself and a NRA member I hate it when this happens.
 
Cainkane1 said:
The NRA hates it when things like this happen but we live in the world that we do and schools need guards to protect them. Massacres happen in places where good guys are unarmed and the bad guys are.
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Except of course when they do. Like when the armed school officer fleas for safety or the police shoot innocent armed citizens near a mass shooting. But never let facts get in the way.
 
Baylor said:
Sure. That argument is a reification fallacy.
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Please explain how.

Yes. UK is the acid attack capital of the world. UK has something like 3,000 times the acid attacks as the US. Therefore, in the UK, the love of acid outweighs the love of citizens.
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Non sequitur. A high instance of something happening does not mean there is approval of it happening.

Instead there is universal revulsion at the number of attacks and those caught and convicted are punished.
 
Cainkane1 said:
The NRA hates it when things like this happen but we live in the world that we do and schools need guards to protect them. Massacres happen in places where good guys are unarmed and the bad guys are.



Lunatics like this shooter usually say or do something to warn whoever is around them, not always but I bet the shooter gave warning of some kind and the school and the people who heard the warning should have acted accordingly. A mass shooting was averted because a student overheard two kids making plans and told the police.
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It's ok everyone. It's the victims fault. Again. The solution is, as always, more guns and more armed people.

As a gun owner myself and a NRA member I hate it when this happens.
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Not enough to try to ease up your addiction to your guns.
 
Nessie said:
....Instead there is universal revulsion at the number of attacks and those caught and convicted are punished.
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Is that enough or is it working to reduce the attacks? I admit that I know next to nothing about acid attacks other than that I hear about them in the news from time to time. But there is universal revulsion over most forms of attacks on persons in civilized countries and the perpetrators are normally punished when caught.

So what are the authorities doing about acid attacks other than thoughts, prayers and punishment?
 
I don't know if they have made it into law yet but the measures include outright ban of "acid" sales to under 18s and a new offence for carrying acid to be implemented in a similar way to the offence of carrying a knife. There was also suggestions to further reduce the public availability of sulphuric acid but again don't know if that has happened yet.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41484909
 
Ranb said:
Is that enough or is it working to reduce the attacks? I admit that I know next to nothing about acid attacks other than that I hear about them in the news from time to time. But there is universal revulsion over most forms of attacks on persons in civilized countries and the perpetrators are normally punished when caught.

So what are the authorities doing about acid attacks other than thoughts, prayers and punishment?
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An example of action is making the purchase of corrosive substances harder;

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/...join-government-effort-to-tackle-acid-attacks

Lots of retailers have voluntarily agreed to assist.

I get your comment on thoughts and prayers, but not punishment;

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...possessing-corrosive-substances-a8233516.html

"Acid is to be defined as a “highly dangerous weapon” for the first time, allowing judges to impose harsher punishments on anyone found to be carrying it in public.
New guidelines published by the Sentencing Council are part of efforts to crackdown on a spate of attacks using corrosive substances, with more than 400 recorded in England and Wales in the six months to April last year."
 
Darat said:
I don't know if they have made it into law yet but the measures include outright ban of "acid" sales to under 18s and a new offence for carrying acid to be implemented in a similar way to the offence of carrying a knife. There was also suggestions to further reduce the public availability of sulphuric acid but again don't know if that has happened yet.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41484909
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I doubt it got anywhere given the exalted status of acid in the UK. There are just too many activists (known as acidvists) who hold rallies, vote, and engage in letter writing campaigns. Their enthusiasm and political power is comparable to gun rights activists in the US. I mean, if it weren't, then a poster here wouldn't foolishly double-down on the analogy after it's already been picked apart (Don) and brutally mocked (Ian).

With SJWs, the Left has achieved self-parody. It's clear they just want to restrict our access to long cherished tools. It's gotten to the point where they'll even whine on behalf of "victims" who received FREE acid.
 
It seems to me this so nearly came close to happening, that I'm going to put it in this thread anyway. A man holding a loaded pistol and carrying lots of extra ammunition was arrested outside a New Jersey elementary school.

Officers found the suspect Thursday afternoon in the front seat of his SUV at Tamaques Elementary School in Westfield, according to the Union County prosecutor's office. He was holding a loaded .45-caliber handgun, it said in a statement Friday.

Classes had let out for the day, but the precautionary lockdown went into effect because after-school activities were still going on, CNN affiliate News12 reported.

The man, later identified as Thomas J. Wilkie, 46, of Bear, Delaware, had two additional loaded clips of ammunition on his person and 130 more rounds in his vehicle's trunk, the prosecutor's office said.

Police acted on a tip from the New Castle Police Department in Delaware that said Wilkie was on his way to the school and may be armed, according to the statement.
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The last detail is important. This wasn't just a man with weaponry who happened to be caught in a school parking lot where he may have randomly decided to stop; the police received a tip that he was heading specifically to that school with a weapon.
 
Cain said:
I doubt it got anywhere given the exalted status of acid in the UK. There are just too many activists (known as acidvists) who hold rallies, vote, and engage in letter writing campaigns. Their enthusiasm and political power is comparable to gun rights activists in the US. I mean, if it weren't, then a poster here wouldn't foolishly double-down on the analogy after it's already been picked apart (Don) and brutally mocked (Ian).

With SJWs, the Left has achieved self-parody. It's clear they just want to restrict our access to long cherished tools. It's gotten to the point where they'll even whine on behalf of "victims" who received FREE acid.
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Jo Brand, UK comedian, got reported to the police for cracking a joke about throwing acid instead of milkshakes....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-48640411
 
I can't remember if domestic type mass shootings get listed in this thread.

There was a quadruple murder-suicide in San Jose, California.

CNN said:
A California home was a scene of carnage after an apparent quadruple homicide and suicide, San Jose police said.

Officers responded to multiple reports of shots fired at the home around 8:40 p.m. Sunday night.

"Arriving officers located several family members fleeing the residence," San Jose police said...
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https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/24/us/california-5-killed-murder-suicide/index.html

Daily Mail says it's a Vietnamese immigrant family.
 
Active shooter at a shopping mall near San Francisco, California. At least two people shot. Condition unknown. Possibly multiple shooters. Developing story.
 
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