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Bubba said:
Say for the sake of the hypothetical, your power is such that there cannot be any leaks. Maybe you sufficiently control all info distribution by conditioning the media to self-police the topic, or you have conditioned everyone to giggle and smirk at any mention of ET visitors....or you have magic sprinkle powder that stops leaks before they start.....whatever it takes.

In other words, just say that any excuse you invent to avoid answering the OP (as Horatius did) would automatically be invalid, ...or just pretend you'd like to answer it, hypothetically, of course.
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Already answered as none of your magical things would work and it would leak much sooner than later you'd announce it - as I implied before in your imaginary world above I would also release it in the real world too.
 
If there has been no communication or contact, then we (the authorities ) cannot possibly know for certain that the observed objects/phenomena are extraterrestrial alien artifacts. All we have is some list of anomalous observed phenomena.

We've mistaken natural phenomena for the deliberate actions of way-more-advanced beings from the sky before. The Zeus theory of lightning and thunder was once pretty popular.

I would go ahead and disclose our ignorance of the cause of the new phenomena, rather than disclose an unjustified guess about their cause. Of course, many segments of the public will speculate that they're really aliens, but others will jump to different conclusions; most popular among these will be that they are deities or other agents from a spiritual realm, or that they are only a hoax by the government to distract everyone from the latest trivial political scandal.

Other possibilities include elaborate sabotage of our detecting equipment, an unknown natural phenomenon occurring for the first time, glitches in the matrix because it turns out the "we're all in a simulation" crowd were right all along, or mischievous young pranksters from the Wizarding World.

All these might seem to be poor explanations, but given observations that all of our past theories say are physically impossible, there are no immediate "good" explanations, and "aliens did it" is at best no better than any of the others on the list.

One very likely long-term outcome is that the new phenomena stop happening as suddenly and mysteriously as they started, and we never do figure out what they were. (If they were indeed aliens, that might also be the best-case outcome.) If that happens, disclosure or not-disclosure would make little difference in the end, but a false or unjustified "disclosure" could have very bad and unnecessary consequences.
 
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I tried decoding the OP with my secret decoder ring and now I'm stuck in a tree. Please send help.
 
I have a ladder. Which tree?

When I've got you down, will you tell me what this thread is about?
 
Alien visitation type threads usually find a better home in General Skepticism & the Paranormal than in C&CT, so I've moved the thread here.
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Why would you conceal it?
The usual answer, I guess, is "to avoid a panic".
OK, that's plausible, but then it got me wondering: has this ever been done before? Has information about an immediate and critical threat to humanity, or to the inhabitants of any particular area, been withheld 'to avoid a panic'?
For example, terrorist attacks. A couple of weeks ago, the was an email that went out to all the staff here in Saudi, warning that there was an "immediate and credible threat" to the US consulate in Jeddah. Now nothing came of it, but did anyone panic? Not as far as I know.
Earthquakes, hurricanes, Hitler, Ebola... All disclosed pretty much as soon as they were known about. I honestly can't think of a single example of the opposite happening.
This may well be ignorance on my part, and I welcome examples of 'knowledge withheld to avoid a panic'- especially from Bubba. It just seems a counter-productive thing to do, as you couldn't prepare in any significant way for whatever threat it was.
 
Magrat said:
If I believed I had the ability to experience ETs or had done, I would tell someone so I could receive medication to stop my hallucinations.
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That is as far as I could get within the hypothetical.

But if I follow the don't-fight-the-hypothetical philosophy, disclose.

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Myriad said:
If there has been no communication or contact,...
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I'm with Myriad on this one.

I'm confused by the conflicting bits of info in the premise.

"You have determined that earth is being visited by intelligent beings in IFOs. (Identified Flying Objects). You know they are identified as not from Earth.

Your resources have confirmed these ET craft can 'impossibly' fly straight up and into outer space at 20K+ mph"

AND

"You also know.......
...... no contact or communication has been made."
 
Open government, Prime Minister. Freedom of information. We should always tell the press freely and frankly anything that they could easily find out some other way.
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Sir Humphrey
 
MikeG said:
I have a ladder. Which tree?

When I've got you down, will you tell me what this thread is about?
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It's okay now, I caught the Pokemon and remembered how to climb down. I was using the wrong lunar phase number in the key, but when I remembered the illuminati switched us to octal last quarter I was able to decode the message.


OP says: "Drink more ovaltine."
 
Bubba said:
Just fleshing out a hypothetical little disclosure question. Thinking who better to ask than you...

So far the question goes like this, maybe great minds will see fit to improve the question if deemed appropriate.




Please answer or refine/improve the question if you prefer.


Call it a sci-fi project if you wish.

The place would be planet earth. The timeline would be our known history. Everything is the same, except it is your responsibility to reveal or conceal the visitors' existence.

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It depends on what the alien agenda might be;

A. Harvest DNA to eventually become a hybrid version of us- No Disclosure.

B. Alien tourism- Tell us please so we can pose for pics and open our houses up as galactic B&B's.

C. They aren't really aliens, they are from another dimension, and they share the same space that we live in here on earth, just on a different bandwidth so to speak.- I'm conflicted on this one since many fundamentalist of all religions would take this as confirmation of their faith.

D. Aliens with several different agendas are present- Gradual disclosure getting the world population ready for acceptance so that it would be less disruptive to society as a whole.

E. We aren't the only intelligent life on earth. There is an aquatic race that live deep within our oceans that were discovered when submarines were invented. We've been sharing technology with them ever since that time but the underwater race and our governments don't want the general public of land dwellers to know they exist.- No Disclosure, it would cause to much societal unrest and disrupt many major religions to know that we weren't the only ones here, as silly as that sounds, we need to evolve our consciousness a bit more to where the majority of humans don't need religion to define their world view before disclosure occurs. I think finding out something has evolved along side of us without our knowing would be more upsetting to the world than if the species came from another planet.

I'm sure there are other scenarios but those were the top 5 that I could think of on the spur of the moment. I didn't exactly stick with your parameters because if this ever happens it will never be that cut and dry.
 
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Republicans would hide it so they don't look soft on illegal immigrants when the aliens take our jobs.

Democrats would hide it so they don't look racist when they point out the aliens are only here to drink our bodily fluids and devour our young.

It's lose-lose, really.
 
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My answer is...... Disclose.

Per the hypothetical...

I know for certain that ET/aliens are visiting planet earth in spacecraft. Performance of their ships demonstrates technology beyond our understanding of physics. It is my responsibility to disclose or not disclose this to the world.

If I decide to hide this knowledge, the world will not learn of the alien visitors. There will be no leaks if I say so.....or if you say so....remember, we're talkin hypothetical here.

(maybe that is a better version of the premise in opening post?)


Anyway... Since I'm apparently the decider for the world and all, and since its my call...

My answer is: Disclose.

Considerations so far include...


* To alert the world. To prepare should visitors be a threat. (disclose)

* Readying the world should visitors choose to initiate contact. (disclose)

* If contact made, potential benefits from the observed exotic propulsion technology. (disclose)

* Benefits to science and knowledge in general. (disclose)

* Generally raising awareness everywhere. (disclose)

* Answering that old old question: Are we alone ? (disclose)

* Possible benefits in helping to unite humanity as 'we' are not alone.

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Bubba said:
Seriously?

If so, I suppose this sentence in the OP was overlooked or misunderstood...

"You have determined that earth is being visited by intelligent beings in IFOs. (Identified Flying Objects). You know they are identified as not from Earth."


Yes, 'we', the inhabitants of the aforementioned hypothetical exercise are being visited by alien craft.

Your assignment, should you choose to accept it, is to decide whether or not to tell the world. You have the power and the responsibility. You may also explain your choice, if you wish.


Please proceed in a responsible and thoughtful manner.
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Not sure how anyone can answer such nonsense "seriously," tbh, lol.
 
Originally Posted by Myriad View Post
If there has been no communication or contact, then we (the authorities ) cannot possibly know for certain
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OK thanks, but it says...

"You have determined that earth is being visited by intelligent beings.....they are identified as not from Earth."


Tony99 said:
I'm with Myriad on this one.

I'm confused by the conflicting bits of info in the premise.
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"You have determined that earth is being visited by intelligent beings in IFOs. (Identified Flying Objects). You know they are identified as not from Earth.

Your resources have confirmed these ET craft can 'impossibly' fly straight up and into outer space at 20K+ mph"
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"You also know.......
...... no contact or communication has been made."
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Well then. That is why the OPost also asks for suggestions for improving the premise of the exercise.

Would it help to say the spacecraft are displaying "We are Aliens" bumper stickers......?

Instead of bumper stickers:


OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT

STRIKE FROM PREMISE AS FOLLOWS


...... no contact or communication has been made.


That leaves us with (emphasis added):

"You have determined that earth is being visited by intelligent beings in IFOs. (Identified Flying Objects). You know they are identified as not from Earth..."


For now, how it was determined is not important. You know that it is ET (aliens) in those spacecraft, visiting your planet earth.


Hopefully that will suffice for Tony99 and Myriad to answer accordingly as did Horatius.

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Just because someone has superior technology doesn't automatically mean they are going to land here and give you the blue prints. They may not see us as any different than cattle.
 
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