Titanic tourist sub missing

[MRC_Hans]

Various news outlets have noticed and reported -- so presumably this is not a very bad taste spoof -- that OceanGate began advertising for a Submersible Pilot/Marine Technician last Friday (June 23rd) after the people on board the Titan were presumed dead. MSN reports:


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Hey people, life goes on, you can't make an omelet without breaking eggs, yadda-yadda-yadda.

Well, it takes time to plan and announce a job offer, so presumably the thing was set in motion before the disaster, and in the confusion, nobody remembered to yank it. Perhaps, as the company seems to have been very top--controlled, this was the job of the CEO, so the whole case was on his desk, or worse, in his head.

Hans

 

[jeremyp]

Well, it takes time to plan and announce a job offer, so presumably the thing was set in motion before the disaster, and in the confusion, nobody remembered to yank it. Perhaps, as the company seems to have been very top--controlled, this was the job of the CEO, so the whole case was on his desk, or worse, in his head.

Hans

Yep. It's entirely possible that the CEO set the ad up to be published on Friday, after all, if he wasn't dead, he would still have been at sea, and it may be that nobody else knew about it, or if they did know about it, it slipped their mind because they had other distractions.

Their CEO is dead; the future of the company is uncertain; they may all soon be looking for new jobs. It's a bit ****** to dump on them for this.

 

[jeremyp]

I found this a very interesting video.

https://youtu.be/n40ukuk9Ay4

This is the only other unlicensed submersible operator. He recounts his experience of being a passenger on Titan's second dive. Apparently the noises you could hear were very loud. He describes them as being like a small calibre firearm being discharged and they continued all the way down and all the way back up again to about 300 metres.

He also thinks that the support ship must have heard the implosion and must have known straight away what happened, but the person in command on the ship was Rush's wife and she may have been in denial about what happened.

In one of those bizarre coincidences, Wendy Rush is a descendant of two of the people killed on the Titanic.

 

[newyorkguy]

Well, it takes time to plan and announce a job offer, so presumably the thing was set in motion before the disaster, and in the confusion...

I know how Nathan Thurm (attorney, Big Oil) would respond.

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But that's just something you're saying.
You're just saying that.
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[Dismember]

And after that, ebay!

Speaking of ebay, industrious sellers are taking advantage of the moment.

Titan submersible toy, “don’t submerge”

“Submarine driver”

Screenshots since I doubt these will be available for long:

https://www.flickr.com/gp/138450707@N08/6h04xK4A0Y”

https://www.flickr.com/gp/138450707@N08/SK0115u4wZ

 

[Myriad]

Maybe by 25 years from now, despite periodic flurries of calls for reform, five casualties a year from tourist submersible "incidents" will be routine, and no one will pay attention even when there's a worse than average year with a dozen or more deaths.

It seems far-fetched, but that's what I would have said if someone had made that same prediction about Mount Everest after 1996.

 

[8enotto]

A bunch of submersible experts have come out of the woodwork recently saying they had warned Stockton of his design being flawed.

Yet the entire subject of his efforts had been unknown to most before this failed dive.


I understand there is little if no regulation to this entire area of exploration. But all except him seemed to get thier subs certified for thier own safety. I do hope this causes that community to take measures to police thier own at least if no agency can.

 

[Dismember]

I found this a very interesting video.

https://youtu.be/n40ukuk9Ay4

This is the only other unlicensed submersible operator. He recounts his experience of being a passenger on Titan's second dive. Apparently the noises you could hear were very loud. He describes them as being like a small calibre firearm being discharged and they continued all the way down and all the way back up again to about 300 metres.

He also thinks that the support ship must have heard the implosion and must have known straight away what happened, but the person in command on the ship was Rush's wife and she may have been in denial about what happened.

In one of those bizarre coincidences, Wendy Rush is a descendant of two of the people killed on the Titanic.

Thanks for sharing that link. I haven’t finished it yet but around the 19:30 mark he expresses some of the same concerns with the manufacturing that Ernie M has mentioned in previous posts: that it wasn’t autoclaved, which apparently has numerous benefits over oven curing; that the way the epoxy was applied (and not autoclaved afterward) meant there would be air bubbles in the finished device that would increase the risk of hull failure, etc.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

Jesus Christ. I occasionally build surfboards with epoxy resin and even an occasional carbon fiber rail strip, and I have a cleaner and more quality controlled working area than these yo yos. And I'm normally drinking more than is prudent.

You are Edgar Frog & I claim my $5

 

[Steve]

Maybe by 25 years from now, despite periodic flurries of calls for reform, five casualties a year from tourist submersible "incidents" will be routine, and no one will pay attention even when there's a worse than average year with a dozen or more deaths.

It seems far-fetched, but that's what I would have said if someone had made that same prediction about Mount Everest after 1996.

Well the USA has certainly long ago set a precedent with their gun fetish. Likely every activity has and will determine its own level of acceptable deaths.

 

[Checkmite]

Here's another video of two small carbon-fiber models with metal end caps imploding in a pressure chamber. This video has a high-speed camera view of the inside of the chamber which is able to show in detail how to carbon fiber fails.

 

[MRC_Hans]

I know how Nathan Thurm (attorney, Big Oil) would respond.

[IMGW=400]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1457&pictureid=13481[/IMGW]

But that's just something you're saying.
You're just saying that.
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Hence the use of the words "presumably" and "perhaps". If we were to remove all posts that were just something someone was saying, this thread would be much shorter.

Hans

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

I found this a very interesting video.

https://youtu.be/n40ukuk9Ay4

This is the only other unlicensed submersible operator. He recounts his experience of being a passenger on Titan's second dive. Apparently the noises you could hear were very loud. He describes them as being like a small calibre firearm being discharged and they continued all the way down and all the way back up again to about 300 metres.

He also thinks that the support ship must have heard the implosion and must have known straight away what happened, but the person in command on the ship was Rush's wife and she may have been in denial about what happened.

In one of those bizarre coincidences, Wendy Rush is a descendant of two of the people killed on the Titanic.

If that is true. (and apparently all recordings from the support vessel have ben seized by the Canadian investigators) someone will have a lot of explaining to do. A lot of money was spent in mounting a rescue.

 

[Dr.Sid]

If that is true. (and apparently all recordings from the support vessel have ben seized by the Canadian investigators) someone will have a lot of explaining to do. A lot of money was spent in mounting a rescue.

Well even if yout hear a bang, you can't be sure. Not sure enough to write off 5 people.

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Well even if yout hear a bang, you can't be sure. Not sure enough to write off 5 people.

'spose so. But there may have been other communications before the bang. (Or loud screens?)

 

[alfaniner]

Damn thing was running off the 3rd party "Player 2" controller you made your little brother use. What are the odds it had a black box?

I was thinking of an mp3 recorder. I have an older one that is basically a thumb drive. Or a simple propped up cell phone.

 

[MRC_Hans]

I was thinking of an mp3 recorder. I have an older one that is basically a thumb drive. Or a simple propped up cell phone.

None of which are likely to have survived an implosion in any condition for data to be recoverable.

This was an event that shredded a 50mm thick CF hull and bent titanium flanges.

Hans

 

[zooterkin]

None of which are likely to have survived an implosion in any condition for data to be recoverable.

This was an event that shredded a 50mm thick CF hull and bent titanium flanges.

Hans

I would say it’s conceivable that a micro-SD card or other solid state storage device could still be intact enough to recover data from.

 

[jeremyp]

I would say it’s conceivable that a micro-SD card or other solid state storage device could still be intact enough to recover data from.

But would it be possible to find on the sea floor?

 

[zooterkin]

But would it be possible to find on the sea floor?

Again, it could well be inside something that was recovered with the main structure of the vessel. I'm not saying it's likely, but it's not impossible.