Titanic tourist sub missing

[Myriad]

This is a silly comparison. We don't follow stories to honor the people whose deaths the story is about. "More people died so you should be more interested in that story than this other one where fewer people died" is just a weird assertion that appears to hinge on some kind of category error. We can just as validly ask, how come all the people who wrote editorials comparing the deaths of the immigrants on the fishing trawler to the one percenters on the submersible didn't spend their time instead reading and writing about the far greater number of people, many of them impoverished or otherwise marginalized, who died of cancer and heart disease that same day? Or about the comparable number who died of miscellaneous routine murder?

I read the fishing trawler coverage. It was quickly obvious what had happened, why it had happened, and whether similar things would likely continue to happen (yes, clearly). What else is one expected to learn or otherwise accomplish by following a news story? But for the missing submersible story it took many days to establish those things. The Titan was, sorry to everyone who laments not being able to dictate my emotional reactions to be more in line with your ideologies, a more interesting story.

 

[Upchurch]

Apologies if this has already been said, but my favorite comment so far is, “I miss the days when the rich flaunted their wealth by building libraries.”

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Apologies if this has already been said, but my favorite comment so far is, “I miss the days when the rich flaunted their wealth by building libraries.”

Not really mutually exclusive. Rich people have always lavished themselves with extravegent luxuries while also engaging in charity work as a PR strategy.

Our imploded captain is from prominent San Francisco families where buildings are named after them.

https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/missing-titanic-submersible-ceo-sf-family-18162447.php

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Is this the theme of Kornbluth's The Marching Morons^WP being played out?

In 1988, real estate agent and con artist John Barlow is placed in suspended animation after a freak accident. He is revived in the distant future, in a confusing world filled with hypersexualized advertisements, vapid entertainment, and people who exhibit erratic, nonsensical behavior. Shortly after being revived, Barlow is introduced to two men who tell him that the current state of society is the fault of the "morons," the world's vast population of unintelligent people, who greatly outnumber the much smaller population of intelligent people.

These men explain to Barlow that the most urgent crisis of their time is the population problem ("Poprob"). Historically, people of higher intelligence often chose to have few children (or no children at all) for pragmatic reasons, while people of lower intelligence, compelled by their sex drives, had larger families and reproduced in greater numbers. By the far future era in which Barlow has awakened, this unbalanced trend has been carried to its logical extreme, with a total world population of five billion morons (with an average IQ of 45) living under the supervision of three million members of an elite, intellectual upper-class who secretly govern world affairs.

Taking inspiration from his knowledge of fraudulent real estate deals, propaganda techniques employed by Nazi Germany during the Holocaust, and the myth of lemmings drowning themselves in the sea, Barlow devises a plan for the orderly extermination of the moron population. He orchestrates a massive propaganda campaign encouraging the morons to migrate to the planet Venus. The overcrowded cities that the morons inhabit are to be dismantled and their steel used to construct fleets of rockets ostensibly intended to ferry people to Venus; in reality, because the "rockets" (disguised passenger planes) are not actually capable of space flight, the morons will simply be flown out to sea and killed. To allay any suspicion, forged postcards are sent from Venusian "colonists" to family members who remain behind, describing Venus as a tropical paradise. The United States Congress, under the control of the elite, promotes the colonization of Venus as an extension of manifest destiny and guarantees Venusian settlers permanent land rights on the planet. This sparks widespread nationalistic fervor as the various nations of Earth all adopt similar approaches and race to reach Venus in order to stake their own claims.

Having a wonderful time. Wish you were here.

 

[TellyKNeasuss]

Not really mutually exclusive. Rich people have always lavished themselves with extravegent luxuries while also engaging in charity work as a PR strategy.

Or as a tax strategy.

 

[zooterkin]

I’d never heard of him until the story broke.

I'm not even sure I've noticed the name until now. He wasn't the centre of the stories in the UK press.

 

[jeremyp]

I'm not even sure I've noticed the name until now. He wasn't the centre of the stories in the UK press.

There's the owner and CEO destroyed by his own hubris, the veteran diver who is an expert on the Titanic wreck, the tragic father and son pair celebrating father's day and some other rich person.

It's not hard to see why even the British press more or less ignored him.

 

[The Man]

Is this the theme of Kornbluth's The Marching Morons^WP being played out?

In 1988, real estate agent and con artist John Barlow is placed in suspended animation after a freak accident. He is revived in the distant future, in a confusing world filled with hypersexualized advertisements, vapid entertainment, and people who exhibit erratic, nonsensical behavior. Shortly after being revived, Barlow is introduced to two men who tell him that the current state of society is the fault of the "morons," the world's vast population of unintelligent people, who greatly outnumber the much smaller population of intelligent people.

This part was the theme of the 2006 movie Idiocracy. Funny as hell,

"Don't worry, scrote. There are plenty of 'tards out there living really kick-ass lives. My first wife was 'tarded. She's a pilot now."

 

[Skeptical Greg]

Apologies if this has already been said, but my favorite comment so far is, “I miss the days when the rich flaunted their wealth by building libraries.”

Concert halls and Universities.

 

[MRC_Hans]

This is a silly comparison. We don't follow stories to honor the people whose deaths the story is about. "More people died so you should be more interested in that story than this other one where fewer people died" is just a weird assertion that appears to hinge on some kind of category error. We can just as validly ask, how come all the people who wrote editorials comparing the deaths of the immigrants on the fishing trawler to the one percenters on the submersible didn't spend their time instead reading and writing about the far greater number of people, many of them impoverished or otherwise marginalized, who died of cancer and heart disease that same day? Or about the comparable number who died of miscellaneous routine murder?

I read the fishing trawler coverage. It was quickly obvious what had happened, why it had happened, and whether similar things would likely continue to happen (yes, clearly). What else is one expected to learn or otherwise accomplish by following a news story? But for the missing submersible story it took many days to establish those things. The Titan was, sorry to everyone who laments not being able to dictate my emotional reactions to be more in line with your ideologies, a more interesting story.

I fully agree. That we don't discuss yet another refugee boat sinking does not mean it is not horrible. It's just there isn't much to discuss.

Hans

 

[Skeptical Greg]

I fully agree. That we don't discuss yet another refugee boat sinking does not mean it is not horrible. It's just there isn't much to discuss.

Hans

I'm reminded of:

 

[William Parcher]

Various media outlets have pictures of the wreckage being hauled out of the water. Big pieces all crumpled.

 

[MRC_Hans]

I'm reminded of:

Yes, that's how it is.

Hans

 

[Skeptical Greg]

Various media outlets have pictures of the wreckage being hauled out of the water. Big pieces all crumpled.

Except for the titanium ones..

 

[Mike!]

Except for the titanium ones..

Yeah, they're in remarkably good shape. At least what's been seen of them.

 

[Upchurch]

Concert halls and Universities.

Also that. Public parks. Scholarships. Things that help people.

 

[bruto]

I see from AP news that some debris, including a fairly big hunk of the hull, has been recovered, so perhaps there will be some finding on just what failed.

 

[Dr.Sid]

Is there any doubt about what failed ?

 

[newyorkguy]

This story is moving fast. Reported within the past hour by CBS News:

Pieces of debris from the sub that officials say imploded while carrying five people to the wreckage of the Titanic last week have arrived back on land. Photos from the Canadian Press and Reuters news agency show crews unloading large pieces of the Titan submersible in Newfoundland. CBS News link

[IMGW=400]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1474&pictureid=13563[/IMGW]
Debris from the Titan submersible, recovered from the ocean floor
near the wreck of the Titanic, is unloaded from the ship Horizon Arctic
at the Canadian coast guard pier in St. John's, Newfoundland, June 28, 2023.

Meanwhile, The Guardian reports:

Presumed human remains have been recovered from within the wreckage of the Titan, the submersible that imploded on a voyage to the Titanic earlier this month, killing all five aboard, the US Coast Guard reported on Wednesday. US medical professionals will conduct a formal analysis of the remains, the Coast Guard said. The Guardian news link

 

[William Parcher]

Somebody said everything was supposed to be scorched inside because of the heat from pressure. Nothing appears to be burned.