Titanic tourist sub missing

Don't know what State/country the waivers were enforceable under, but in my fair US state, you can't waive negligence, and there is apparently a pretty solid case of negligence here.
 
shemp said:
A libertarian submersible would be little more than a cardboard box.
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A submarine made of wood just showed up in my YouTube feed. I did not click on it. :o

Edited to add: I could not resist.

Here it is:

:o :o

(Actually pretty interesting.)
 
P.J. Denyer said:
TBH, if it gets wet you're almost certainly already dead. As I mentioned before it's battery powered & my concern would have been that their level of preparation would make me worry they didn't have spare AAs let alone a spare controller.
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Five people in an unventilated space the size of a large car are going to produce a lot of moisture even if one of them doesn't spill the contents of their water bottle.
 
dann said:
Where would Western civilization and spirit of enterprise have been without them?
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This is what we did learn after thier untimely deaths. We pulled caution back out of the wind and used it diligently for a bit after. Until we forgot again...
 
Gord_in_Toronto said:
A submarine made of wood just showed up in my YouTube feed. I did not click on it. :o

Edited to add: I could not resist.

Here it is:

:o :o

(Actually pretty interesting.)
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I've now watched the entire video. The design seems at least as sensible as Titan. And maybe even better.

Argonaut Jr - Building and Diving a Wooden Submarine from 1894 SV Seeker

We recreated Simon Lake's Argonaut Jr submarine, dove it for two weeks, and share the stories and lessons learned.
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See more at https://argonautjr.com/
 
Seems Mr Cameron of some deep diving experience himself has also warned him of using carbon fiber.

In an interview he stated that the Titan sub was the only untested and never certified sub of that type. Everyone else has pressure tested and gotten a certified status from whomever is doing that for that community. He didn't say whom.

Also the handy dandy idea of having redundant systems for the critical stuff like control and air supply.

None of which that one had.

It did in fact fail on the voyage number 17, apparently the failed descent was the 4th of 2023.
Most others would have retired any after a small number of deep descents and only used them on much lesser depths afterwards. If at all.

Oh, and it was only possible to open and close it from the outside with 18 bolts. Even if they had surfaced there is limited time for support crews to get to them and get them out.
Scary stuff .
 
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And another myth resolved.
The boy wanted to go his own mother says on BBC.
She stood aside.
So the aunt was wrong?
His personal best on Rubik cube was 12 seconds.
 
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jeremyp said:
Is it though? Have you never told other people things you didn't want your parents to hear?
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The mother and wife is suffering immeasurable pain, it becomes a universal paradigm, her survival instinct may well say I need my son to have been willing.
 
Samson said:
The mother and wife is suffering immeasurable pain, it becomes a universal paradigm, her survival instinct may well say I need my son to have been willing.
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Taking the Rubik's cube might have been a coping mechanism to help him manage the fear.

I don't think we'll ever know what he really thought about the whole thing, but whether he wanted to go or not, I think he, and the other two passengers were duped and I think Rush might have been fooling himself too.
 
My education is in Marine Geology, so the benthic world, and how we get down there to do research is something I have basic functional knowledge of. And I'm a Titanic-phile from way back, and just completed a ridiculously large model kit of the boat a few months back. I follow OceanGate on Youtube as they're the best source for new HD images of the wreck.

In short, this whole affair sucks.

Paul-Henri Nargeolet is a goddamn legend. I can't believe he blew off every deepsea exploration safety rule in the book. I will never understand this one.

I get it. Deep exploration is expensive, so if you feel like having some rich people paying big cash to look over your shoulder while surveying Titanic it seems like a fair trade off. I wish more marine and biological researchers were open to this idea. And this is something they do in archeology, where you can pay to help out on digs in the Middle East, and Holy Land.

But you NEVER compromise safety. Ever. Period.

Modern marine research is carried out by DSROVs, remote submercables with HD, 4K cameras, and robotic arms. Right now Woods Hole, Scipps, MBARI, and other marine organizations are conduction deepsea surveys around the world, and some of these you can watch live on Youtube, or on their websites - for free (great way to kill an hour if this is your thing). DSROVs are cheaper, safer, and better than manned submersibles. They allow scientists access to amazing places while sitting in comfortable chairs, in an airconditioned room, near restrooms, and you can bring your big bag of Cheetos. The entire dive is viewed on big flatscreen TVs, and recorded.

There is little reason to send humans down these days. With Titanic, a submersible makes sense only if the plan is to penetrate the interior of the wreck, in which case you'd be launching small ROVs from the sub(s).

And I admit that if I had that kind of money I'd be on OceanGate's waiting list. I can't be the only one here who's done a few crazy and stupid things in their lives - for free. And I can only imaging what that list would look like if I'd been rich.

I doubt the deep-sea research community will learn anything of value from the investigation. More like this will reinforce everything we already knew, and Titan will become an adjective for taking dangerous shortcuts, and not having enough redundant and manual safety features onboard.

Like I said, this sucks.
 
Axxman300 said:
I get it. Deep exploration is expensive, so if you feel like having some rich people paying big cash to look over your shoulder while surveying Titanic it seems like a fair trade off. I wish more marine and biological researchers were open to this idea. And this is something they do in archeology, where you can pay to help out on digs in the Middle East, and Holy Land.
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You can pay to join in the digs at Vindolanda Roman fort and town in Northumberland. Get in the trench for a week in the summer.
 
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