Titanic tourist sub missing

[Darat]

Nope. He's done a lot of work in the field. You may not like him, but he is an expert, at least compared to most of the people pontificating about this incident.

Take a look at this interview

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9YB31ElEFQ

At 6:40, Bob Ballard even defers to Camaron on the engineering of the submersible. If Ballard thinks Cameron knows what he is talking about, that's good enough for me.

I've read quite a few articles and the likes about Cameron's interest with deep-sea diving, and it does seem as if he has extensive knowledge and understanding of deep-sea diving.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Dude's dove to the wreck of the Titanic 33 times. Can't imagine why he being someone people want to listen to right about now is any percent surprising.

I am sorta surprised Dr. Ballard hasn't made any public comments to my knowledge.

 

[Darat]

Dude's dove to the wreck of the Titanic 33 times. Can't imagine why he being someone people want to listen to right about now is any percent surprising.

I am sorta surprised Dr. Ballard hasn't made any public comments to my knowledge.

Thinking about it I can't think of a better expert to use for many aspects of this story. He is a rich guy who can afford to spend deep on his interests, so matches up to the story. He is fascinated by the Titanic and made many dives to it, so matches up with the story. In 2012 he had built his own design of submersible, so matches up with the story. That he is publicly better known for being an expert in making movies doesn't mean he can't be an expert in another area.

ETA: Shared article from NYT so shouldn't be behind a paywall: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/22/...prw0-4YsVqKSQarqPiJG_RRAmq30rH&smid=url-share

When reading about his 2012 dive there is even more reason to reach out to him about this story:

....In 2012, Mr. Cameron designed and piloted an experimental submersible into a region in the Pacific Ocean called the Challenger Deep. Mr. Cameron had not sought certification of the vessel’s safety by organizations in the maritime industry that provide such services to numerous companies.

“We did that knowingly” because the craft was experimental and its mission scientific, Mr. Cameron said. “I would never design a vehicle to take passengers and not have it certified.”...​

 

[jeremyp]

I've only just seen this video; but it claims that Nargeolet was present on every dive and implies he had some kind of guide or instructional role. At first I'd assumed he was just another passenger but it looks like he was actually an employee of OceanGate, so there is your stake.

By the way I highly recommend everyone watch this video if you haven't seen it already. It's the promotional video for the expedition.



Despite the almost protest-too-much emphasis of the promo, this very much was tourism and absolutely was not science, "citizen" or otherwise. I have been unable to find evidence that any of OceanGate's Titanic expeditions have collected or shared any data or findings of scientific import. It's purely a LARP.

I like that your thumbnail is of the ship's chef who proclaimed that she never felt unsafe. That convinces me, when the cook says it's fine. Of course, maybe she was Navy Seal just serving out her time.

 

[Tero]

I guess I won't be buying that carbon fiber bicycle after all. Aluminum is light enough. And titanium is available, though a bit expensive.

 

[shemp]

After the break: Trump tells us how he was was going to swim out and rescue them if found. "They said 'Sir,' they always call me 'Sir', 'Sir, only you're fit enough to hold your breath that long'. Because it's bigly deep"

And they cried when they saw his bravery!

 

[jeremyp]

Dude's dove to the wreck of the Titanic 33 times. Can't imagine why he being someone people want to listen to right about now is any percent surprising.

I am sorta surprised Dr. Ballard hasn't made any public comments to my knowledge.

He has. Watch the youtube video I linked in my previous comment.

 

[shemp]

I guess I won't be buying that carbon fiber bicycle after all. Aluminum is light enough. And titanium is available, though a bit expensive.

Especially if you're going to ride it at the bottom of the ocean!

 

[JoeMorgue]

"Dear Lord, that's over 150 atmospheres of pressure!"
"How many atmospheres can this ship withstand?"
"Well it's a spaceship, so I'd say anywhere between zero and one."

 

[jeremyp]

"Dear Lord, that's over 150 atmospheres of pressure!"
"How many atmospheres can this ship withstand?"
"Well it's a spaceship, so I'd say anywhere between zero and one."

That is the line that made me fall in love with Futurama.

 

[ThatGuy11200]

I've only just seen this video; but it claims that Nargeolet was present on every dive and implies he had some kind of guide or instructional role. At first I'd assumed he was just another passenger but it looks like he was actually an employee of OceanGate, so there is your stake.

By the way I highly recommend everyone watch this video if you haven't seen it already. It's the promotional video for the expedition.



Despite the almost protest-too-much emphasis of the promo, this very much was tourism and absolutely was not science, "citizen" or otherwise. I have been unable to find evidence that any of OceanGate's Titanic expeditions have collected or shared any data or findings of scientific import. It's purely a LARP.

"Don't miss the opportunity to be part of history..."

 

[lobosrul5]

OK seriously, can the media scale their coverage of this back a bit. CNN has been almost nothing but oceangate this morning.

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

As a Canadian I have been wondering how my tax dollars have been spent in the search.

Watching the US Coast Guard briefings and announcements, I guess I should not be worried as I can find nary a mention by USCG of any Canadian involvement what-so-ever.

The Horizon Arctic (qv) may, or may not (depending who you read) have been peripherally involved.

Heroes all.

 

[jimbob]

Interesting post on Scrutable about the design.

https://scrutable.science/viewtopic.php?p=149017#p149011

About the design challenges from going from 3D to 2D curvature with homogeneous materials let alone different materials.

The last paragraph also.

This is a nice Gif of a railway tank imploding which shows what happens, note the ends remain intact. https://gifer.com/en/ywW

 

[Andy_Ross]

I guess I won't be buying that carbon fiber bicycle after all. Aluminum is light enough. And titanium is available, though a bit expensive.

I have a carbon road bike I've been using for years. Just don't go deep sea diving on it.

 

[Lplus]

"Don't miss the opportunity to be part of history..."

ftfy

 

[alfaniner]

Re: implosion. Hasn't anyone ever dropped and incandescent light bulb? It's the same concept. Lower pressure inside, higher pressure outside.

 

[Thermal]

Just saw a heartbreaking tweet, but unconfirmed. Seems the 19 yr old was "terrified" of going in this thing but that he went as a Father's Day thing because his rich dad was so excited about it.

 

[Skeptical Greg]

I like that your thumbnail is of the ship's chef who proclaimed that she never felt unsafe. That convinces me, when the cook says it's fine. Of course, maybe she was Navy Seal just serving out her time.

Ignorance is bliss.


This event is a gold mine of cliche's.

 

[Lplus]

Re: implosion. Hasn't anyone ever dropped and incandescent light bulb? It's the same concept. Lower pressure inside, higher pressure outside.

There's youtube short showing a tanker railcar under vacuum and it's sudden collapse.