There Really Was Some Voter Fraud!

Warp12 said:
It sounds like you are confused about Warp12's position. The best available evidence for Warp12's position is common sense.

Which isn't too common on this forum, unfortunately. Kind a of a letdown, considering the forum name and all.
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Reading the thread in sequence, I'll assume (safely, I'd wager) one or more contributors will slice, dice, and julienne fry the above by the time I make it to this post of mine. No need for me to pile on, it being the season of goodwill and all.
 
shemp said:
Stupid old buzzards!*

* Disclaimer: I'm older than two of those three.
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I protest the canard about buzzards.

Per my Google search:

Despite their unpeacock-like appearance, vultures are intelligent birds whose senses of sight and smell are among the sharpest of any creatures.
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. . .

“They are the smartest birds by far, and the most fun to train,” Leighty said. “They're really gentle.” Turkey vultures remain as unknown to science as they do to Scripture.
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Donnie Bonespurs said there were 5,000 dead voters in Georgia. The actual count is a bit smaller.

Alleged ‘dead’ Georgia voters found alive and well after 2020 election

False claims that there were thousands of ballots cast in the names of dead Georgia voters can now rest in peace.

Election investigators found just four absentee ballots in the 2020 presidential election from voters who had died, all of them returned by relatives.

The State Election Board referred the cases to the attorney general’s office this month after investigators reviewed dozens of allegations. Almost all voters were found to be alive.

The tiny number of ballots actually cast on behalf of deceased voters contrasts with then-President Donald Trump’s false accusation that there were 5,000 dead voters in Georgia’s election.

It’s the latest in a series of unsubstantiated claims of fraud that have since been debunked, including allegations of counterfeit ballots, ballot stuffing and forged absentee ballot signatures. Three vote counts showed that Trump lost by about 12,000 votes in Georgia.
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shemp said:
Donnie Bonespurs said there were 5,000 dead voters in Georgia. The actual count is a bit smaller.

Alleged ‘dead’ Georgia voters found alive and well after 2020 election
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Three were cast by widows for their husbands and one by a mother for her son.
One was a widow who voted for Biden but her husband, who died in September, wanted to vote for Trump so she carried out his wishes.

From Nov. 21, 2021:
Washington (CNN)The mysterious case of Rosemarie Hartle's vote in the last presidential election, three years after her death, was trumpeted in November 2020 by the Nevada Republican Party and various prominent conservatives. From then-President Donald Trump on down, Republicans used stories about phony votes cast under the names of dead people as key evidence for their claim that Joe Biden's victory was marred by major fraud.

The Hartle mystery is now solved. And it turns out that the fraud was committed by a Republican.

Hartle was married to Las Vegas businessman Donald Kirk Hartle, a registered Republican. In November 2020, Hartle told Las Vegas television station 8 News Now (KLAS-TV) that he felt "disbelief" when he found out that a mail-in ballot was submitted in his late wife's name. It was "pretty sickening," he said at the time, adding that he didn't know how it could've happened.

But Hartle had actually cast the phony ballot himself.
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I heard an interview on NPR today with a county election official in Florida, a Republican, who says his office is tied up with lots of FOIA requests from people convinced the election was stolen. He says the election was not stolen, he found no fraud in his county, and Biden is President. He will probably get primaried in his next election in 2024.
 
shemp said:
I heard an interview on NPR today with a county election official in Florida, a Republican, who says his office is tied up with lots of FOIA requests from people convinced the election was stolen. He says the election was not stolen, he found no fraud in his county, and Biden is President. He will probably get primaried in his next election in 2024.
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This whole voter fraud thing is a good example of how the right wing brainworms work.

How do you get a bunch of seemingly normal people to engage in, or at least excuse, very objectionable behavior? You convince them that their opponents threw the first punch and they have little option but to return in kind. Extreme times call for extreme measures, and if that means meemaw has to do some illegal voting to balance out all these Democrats voting illegally, well that's just what needs to be done.

That all of these conspiracy theories are demonstrably untrue doesn't matter. They believe lies and they believe their back is up against the wall, they must retaliate with extreme measures.

The voter fraud is a pretty innocuous form of it, because voter impersonation fraud is not how elections are stolen in real life. These people don't accomplish much more than exposing themselves to criminal liability. More worrisome versions of this are the way that the right wing propaganda paints all liberal/left protestors as inherently dangerous, and that any encounter with them must be met with gunfire or plowing a truck through the crowd.

Most of these right wing freaks aren't really disposed to murder doctors and nurses, but if you feed them enough conspiracy theories about how hospitals are murdering patients by refusing them covid miracle cures, suddenly violence seems a more reasonable outcome.
 
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The schadenfreude is delicious. At the end of last October:
In the wake of Joe Biden's presidential win and defeated Donald Trump's baseless claims of voter fraud that followed, Texas' Republican Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick offered to pay up to $1 million in bounties to tipsters who provided information that led to an arrest and final conviction of voter fraud.

"I support President Trump's efforts to identify voter fraud in the presidential election and his commitment to making sure that every legal vote is counted and every illegal vote is disqualified," Patrick said in November 2020, announcing his plan to pay a minimum of $25,000 per informant.

Patrick has kept his word — but it's a progressive poll worker in Pennsylvania who is $25,000 richer after he spotted a Trump supporter illegally trying to vote twice.

"It's my belief that they were trying to get cases of Democrats doing voter fraud. And that just wasn't the case," Eric Frank told The Dallas Morning News of collecting his reward from Patrick. "This kind of blew up in their face."

Frank — whose father is an election judge and whose mother is a campaign manager for Pennsylvania Democrats, according to the Dallas paper — was instrumental in the case of Chester County, Pennsylvania, voter Ralph Thurman, a registered Republican who pleaded guilty to repeat voting and was sentenced to three years' probation, The Philadelphia Inquirer and other local news outlets reported in September.
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https://people.com/politics/texas-republican-dan-patrick-pays-voter-fraud-tipster-democrat/
 
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