There Really Was Some Voter Fraud!

[The Don]

The Texas judge will find that The Libs were mean to him and so he deserves to be let free with an apology.

The ease with which the crime was found demonstrates the fundamental honesty of the man (contrast that with the Democrats whose representatives are such skilled liars that no evidence of their misdeeds can be found )

In any case this was all a long time ago and the results of the election weren't affected by his vote so no harm, no foul rules apply.

 

[Norman Alexander]

The ease with which the crime was found demonstrates the fundamental honesty of the man (contrast that with the Democrats whose representatives are such skilled liars that no evidence of their misdeeds can be found )

In any case this was all a long time ago and the results of the election weren't affected by his vote so no harm, no foul rules apply.

The same for when he shot a man in Reno just to watch him die? That was back in the 60's, wasn't it?

 

[shemp]

Once again, real voter fraud involving the same old party.

Jury Finds Belmont Massachusetts Man Guilty In New Hampshire Of Wrongful Voting In 2016

CONCORD, NH — A man from Belmont, Massachusetts, with a vacation home in the Lakes Region, has been convicted of wrongful voting after casting ballots at both his home in the Bay State and his vacation home in Holderness in November 2016.

After a three day trial in Grafton County Superior Court, Richard Rosen, 85, was convicted Friday on a single felony count of wrongful voting after casting ballots in both communities on Nov. 8, 2016. Michael Garrity, the director of communications with the New Hampshire Attorney General’s Office, said Tuesday the jury found Rosen had knowingly checked in at the checklist at his polling location in Belmont, MA, after already casting an absentee ballot for the same election in Holderness.

Rosen is expected to be sentenced in July. He faces between three and a half and seven years in prison and a $2,000 fine.

The charge against Rosen was filed in December 2022 after a multi-year investigation into Rosen by the NH AG’s Office after finding him on the Interstate Voter Registration Crosscheck Program, a database that tracks possible multiple voter registrations in several states. New Hampshire joined the program in 2017. Via the database, Rosen was flagged for having voted in both states during the 2016 general election.

According to voter registration records, Rosen was registered as a Republican in Belmont, MA, in May 1995. He failed to vote in several elections in the town, placing him on “inactive” voter status, which occurs before a voter is purged from a list in Massachusetts. While in New Hampshire, Rosen pulled Republican primary ballots, according to the Holderness town clerk.

 

[Stacyhs]

Let me see if I can conjure up some surprise
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[plague311]

Man, 85 years old. It says he faces between 3.5 and 5 years in prison. I couldn't open up the link here at work but is there a minimum mandatory for that? The phrasing makes me think that they have to choose within that time frame but that would pretty much be a death sentence for someone of his age.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

I have repeatedly been told that " you don't do the crime if you don't do the time".

Is it really worse to lock up an old man than a young woman/mother?
Or an ex-con who assumed his voting rights had been restored and now has no chance to ever get a job ever again?

These are crimes design to deter the level of fraud Trump did put only ever punishes individual voters.

 

[shemp]

Man, 85 years old. It says he faces between 3.5 and 5 years in prison. I couldn't open up the link here at work but is there a minimum mandatory for that? The phrasing makes me think that they have to choose within that time frame but that would pretty much be a death sentence for someone of his age.

I think it could be partially or entirely suspended. Maybe serve 30 days in county jail and suspend the rest. Even I don't think he needs to go up for 3.5 years.

 

[Trebuchet]

Being 85 years old in prison might be a good way to avoid nursing home expenses!

 

[shemp]

Being 85 years old in prison might be a good way to avoid nursing home expenses!

True, but do they let you watch Matlock?

 

[plague311]

I have repeatedly been told that " you don't do the crime if you don't do the time".

Is it really worse to lock up an old man than a young woman/mother?
Or an ex-con who assumed his voting rights had been restored and now has no chance to ever get a job ever again?

These are crimes design to deter the level of fraud Trump did put only ever punishes individual voters.

I'm not saying he should be forgiven or given preferential treatment. If he's guilty and that's the minimum mandatory, then that's how it goes. I highly, highly doubt there is a minimum since it would be fairly unheard of for a crime like this, but at 85 with the healthcare provided in prison, along with the food, he wouldn't last long. I'd say a year tops.

True, but do they let you watch Matlock?

Depends on the prison! I'm sure wherever they'd send him would be significantly more accommodating than most places. I doubt he'd actually go to prison, prison anyway.

 

[shemp]

I'm not saying he should be forgiven or given preferential treatment. If he's guilty and that's the minimum mandatory, then that's how it goes. I highly, highly doubt there is a minimum since it would be fairly unheard of for a crime like this, but at 85 with the healthcare provided in prison, along with the food, he wouldn't last long. I'd say a year tops.

Obviously, you are unfamiliar with the conditions in many of our nursing homes. His expected lifespan is probably longer in prison.

 

[plague311]

Obviously, you are unfamiliar with the conditions in many of our nursing homes. His expected lifespan is probably longer in prison.

Not a lot to argue with there.

Man would that make a hell of a headline, "Man dies in prison just to vote for Trump!"

 

[autumn1971]

Not a lot to argue with there.

Man would that make a hell of a headline, "Man dies in prison just to vote for Trump!"

I would love it if about 40,000,000 more did

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

Man, 85 years old. It says he faces between 3.5 and 5 years in prison. I couldn't open up the link here at work but is there a minimum mandatory for that? The phrasing makes me think that they have to choose within that time frame but that would pretty much be a death sentence for someone of his age.

The answer to that is more complicated than it appears and than it should be. The New Hampshire laws are not plainly written. I gave up, but I think I might see what is going on. It looks like some crimes designate a specific maximum number of years and from that you have to figure out the Class, while other designate the crime as a certain Class and from that you have to figure out the maximum years.

If a crime designates a maximum number of years between 3.5 and 7, it is a Class B felony. In this case the crime is designated as a Class B felony, which carries a maximum sentence of 7 years. There does not appear to be a minimum sentence.

That means a Class B felony has a maximum of 7 years, but a crime with a maximum of 3.5 years is also a Class B felony. Reporters pull their information from websites that say that someone convicted of a Class B felony could face 3.5 to 7 years. That looks like a minimum and maximum, but is actually a minimum maximum and maximum maximum, if you follow.

In this case, the 3.5 maximum is irrelevant because the crime is designated as a Class B felony. That means it carries up to 7 years, or more precisely 0 to 7 years.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

I'm not saying he should be forgiven or given preferential treatment. If he's guilty and that's the minimum mandatory, then that's how it goes. I highly, highly doubt there is a minimum since it would be fairly unheard of for a crime like this, but at 85 with the healthcare provided in prison, along with the food, he wouldn't last long. I'd say a year tops.



Depends on the prison! I'm sure wherever they'd send him would be significantly more accommodating than most places. I doubt he'd actually go to prison, prison anyway.

I'm Absolutely saying he should be forgiven, with admission of guilt, civil education and maybe community service.

This kind of fraud is completely irrelevant.
The kind with fake election dates, fake robo calls, fake stories ought to be put in jail for decades.
What Trump and co. did should cost them automatically their citizenship plus prison.

 

[thaiboxerken]

Trump said that the fact that they did this to him shows that they can do it to anyone.

I agree, and they should. People who commit crimes on the scale that he does, should be prosecuted and found guilty of those crimes.

 

[shemp]

Maybe not quite voter fraud, but voter intimidation.

Flyer warns Texas voters: ‘Don’t make us report you to President Trump!’

“Please don’t make us report you to President Trump!”

Texas Republicans reportedly received a warning through a flyer sent to their homes before Tuesday’s primary runoff election. Viral posts on Reddit indicate that recipients in Victoria and Denton, spanning the opposite ends of Southeast and Northeast Texas, received this mailer.

“We see you haven’t voted yet,” the mailer notes. “Your voting record is public. … Your neighbors are watching and will know if you miss this critical runoff election. We will notify President Trump if you don’t vote. You can’t afford to have that on your record.”

The unofficial election notice claims the group will be “sending an official list of Republicans who fail to vote in the upcoming runoff to President Trump.” The mailer then promises to follow up after the election to ensure people voted.

 

[Norman Alexander]

Maybe not quite voter fraud, but voter intimidation.

Flyer warns Texas voters: ‘Don’t make us report you to President Trump!’

I do hope these people realise that Donald Trump could not personally give less of a **** who voted in Texas.

 

[Stacyhs]

Maybe not quite voter fraud, but voter intimidation.

Flyer warns Texas voters: ‘Don’t make us report you to President Trump!’

I'd think that would be voter intimidation. If I ever got something like that from the Dems, I'd switch to Independent.

 

[rjh01]

Maybe not quite voter fraud, but voter intimidation.

Flyer warns Texas voters: ‘Don’t make us report you to President Trump!’

As an Australian what I am shocked about is that people know who has voted. In Australia voting is compulsory, but who you have voted for is secret. And if you fail to vote that is not published either.