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Now you're moving the goalposts. I explained one optical illusion that could explain "four fold" - two or more lights converging. Like spotlights reflected on a cloud.

I also explained how one could see red / blue oscillations in the night sky - cop lights. (a detail you have apparently added to your story in recent years, to explain away geese)

You seem to "know" what you saw like a fundamentalist "knows" Jesus.
 
carlitos said:
Now you're moving the goalposts. I explained one optical illusion that could explain "four fold" - two or more lights converging. Like spotlights reflected on a cloud.

I also explained how one could see red / blue oscillations in the night sky - cop lights. (a detail you have apparently added to your story in recent years, to explain away geese)

You seem to "know" what you saw like a fundamentalist "knows" Jesus.
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It was a clear night, and the "star-like objects" I saw were airborne.

I am not a fundamentalist.
 
King of the Americas said:
Airborne kittens with flashlights dangling from their collars, "over the Red River", performing 90 degree turns without slowing down would be advanced, eh?
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It would be hallucinations. When you had this vision, did you get a toxicology workup at a competent medical facility? A complete physical exam? A thorough psychological exam? Unless we can rule out hallucinations there are too many holes in your story for it to be credible, especially given that you're a proven liar.
 
King of the Americas said:
It was a clear night, and the "star-like objects" I saw were airborne.

I am not a fundamentalist.
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Your story has holes in it big enough to fly a blimp through. If it was a cloud-free sky (vs. what you originally said) then there are a couple of million more things that your star-like objects could have been.

With regard to your interpretation of your story and history, you are a fundamentalist. It's the right word to describe your rejection of any and all alternative explanations. Why else would you ascribe ONE explanation - heavenly agents - to explain multiple, independent phenomena?

  • Carved stone from 900AD = heavenly agents' "advanced technology"
  • Tiwanaku civilization dwindles = heavenly agents left (and took their toys with them?)
  • Drawings on cave wall = heavenly agents depicted by cavemen
  • Ezekiel = heavenly agents described by bible author
  • Lights in the sky = heavenly agents seen by you and others

A critical thinker would entertain the possibility that these multiple, unrelated events could have multiple, unrelated explanations. Your stance is fundamentalist, in that you reject every alternative and can't / won't provide any scientific evidence for your own explanation.
 
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aggle-rithm said:
Do you apply any sort of rigor to this interpretation? Do you attempt to falsify your assumptions? Do you consider alternate explanations (such as, "the things portrayed in cave paintings, myths, religious tales, paintings, pictures, and videos may not all be the same phenomena")?
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...or even real?

King of the Americas said:
I told you. It is a theory of mine.
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BASED ON WHAT? A theory has a basis of facts, not one anecdote of one thing you saw that you couldn't explain.

King of the Americas said:
I've SEEN things they haven't.
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Big deal and so what? I bet I've seen things you haven't seen. That doesn't mean the things I saw had some kind of magic behind them.

bruto said:
Let's get this nonsense straight here. The term "alien" does not mean "from the stars." If they're not living here on earth, they're aliens. It doesn't matter where you think their ancestors might have come from. Are they earth dwellers now? NO? Then they're aliens. Are they ordinary human beings? NO? They're not from here. They're not us. They're aliens. That's what the word means!
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Damn furriners! :p
 
King of the Americas said:
I've never claimed anything more than "They exist." I DON'T know what they are, where they live, or what they purpose to do.
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Really? I thought you claimed that they're 'up there', and if more than half the world's population looked up they'd come down, and that they'd give us a massive technological boost, and they're not aliens, and they come from Earth, and they'd assisted some cultures with rock stacking, etc... ?

If those weren't claims, what were they?
 
King of the Americas said:
They performed maneuvers beyond that of known aircraft capability.
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ASSUMING they were as large as you thought they were, as far away as you thought they were, in the configuration you thought they were, and that you remember the incident accurately.

Many people don't remember such things accurately. Why do you think you're different?

I have thus far been unable to positively identify what I saw, thus the U.F.O. tag.

Not being able to conclude what they were specifically, is NOT me saying I couldn't see what flight patterns they took.

Melding together to form a 4-fold larger version of themselves is advanced.
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ONLY if you saw what you thought you saw! It is extremely difficult to interpret what you see up in the sky if it is something unfamiliar.

Do you KNOW how far away they were? If not, then there is no basis for saying that the maneuvers were impossible. Also, saying they did something "advanced" is begging the question; it assumes that you are looking at some technological display, when it may actually have been something very different.

Honestly, I don't KNOW what their purpose is. One ASSUMPTION is that they are watching us, like our scientists watch wildlife, studying them in an attempt to know what preserves them.
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What is the basis for this assumption?

Keep in mind that you could not have made this one without a whole string of other assumptions (for instance, that what you saw had conscious intent behind it, that this conscious intent came from unknown, other-worldly creatures, and that these creatures have been around for a long time and continue to hang around today).
 
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King of the Americas said:
Well, if that's their purpose, then there's little we could do, anyway.

Inviting them for some friendly competition couldn't hurt.
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So if you acknowledge that it's possible they do not have the intentions that you clearly believe they have...can you admit that you're just making up the part about them ushering in a new age?
 
carlitos said:
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A critical thinker would entertain the possibility that these multiple, unrelated events could have multiple, unrelated explanations. Your stance is fundamentalist, in that you reject every alternative and can't / won't provide any scientific evidence for your own explanation.
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I don't reject every alternative...

I am arguing that these unrelated events MIGHT in fact be the same thing(s), I saw with mine own eyes.

When you are face to face with evidence of an existence, disbelief is no longer an option.

They exist.

I report this as a truth, as of yet, unknown to you. Its reality is not dependent upon your acceptance.
 
aggle-rithm said:
So if you acknowledge that it's possible they do not have the intentions that you clearly believe they have...can you admit that you're just making up the part about them ushering in a new age?
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We live our lives by a certain standard, set of rules governing our day to day lives. When something new and different comes along, our lives are altered, even if only a little. While I have never bought a Britney Spears album, I know of her existence, and that she was/is a pop music icon. I could even say I'd probably recognize her in a crowd. And she was just one singer...

Something like 'first contact' with E.T. I think that would have a profound and lasting effect on the whole of the world.

I don't know what their intentions are or were, but if they meant us harm, I think they'd have done it by now.
 
King of the Americas said:
We live our lives by a certain standard, set of rules governing our day to day lives. When something new and different comes along, our lives are altered, even if only a little. While I have never bought a Britney Spears album, I know of her existence, and that she was/is a pop music icon. I could even say I'd probably recognize her in a crowd. And she was just one singer...

Something like 'first contact' with E.T. I think that would have a profound and lasting effect on the whole of the world.

I don't know what their intentions are or were, but if they meant us harm, I think they'd have done it by now.
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You really are hopeless at analogies. What does Britney Spears have to do with it? You've been pulling it out of your fundamental orifice again.
 
King of the Americas said:
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Something like 'first contact' with E.T. I think that would have a profound and lasting effect on the whole of the world. ***snip***
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Wha? First contact? Aren't we up to at least like 4th contact now?

Ancient Egyptians, Mayans, Incas, Tiwanakans...

Didn't they make contact with these civilizations? Or did they just sneak in when nobody was looking and do the rock scratching and stacking thing?

And if they did make direct contact with these civilizations, the effects seem to have been more on the level of barely detectable, rather than profound and lasting.

Are you basing your assumptions on ANYTHING other than your own personal speculations?
 
King of the Americas said:
Something like 'first contact' with E.T. I think that would have a profound and lasting effect on the whole of the world.
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Yes, it would be nice. So would a new car for everyone. That doesn't make it true.

I don't know what their intentions are or were, but if they meant us harm, I think they'd have done it by now.
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There's a simpler explanation for why they haven't attacked us, and it's the same reason Santa's elves haven't attacked us.
 
Psiload said:
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And if they did make direct contact with these civilizations, the effects seem to have been more on the level of barely detectable, rather than profound and lasting.

Are you basing your assumptions on ANYTHING other than your own personal speculations?
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I'd say Puma Punku is both profound and lasting.

Our ancient ancestors may have made contact, but we certainly haven't yet.
 
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King of the Americas said:
I'd say Puma Punku is both profound and lasting.

Our ancient ancestors may have made contact, but we certainly haven't yet.
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How profound is Puma Punku if you can't attribute it to the work of the advanced technology of heavenly visitors with better than a "may have"?

It were indeed so profound, shouldn't it be a bit more definitive than a maybe?

One more question...

Regarding the motives of the heavenly visitors... might their designs include sapping and impurifying our precious bodily fluids? Any theories on that?
 
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