Merged Their Return

[bruto]

Okay, one of the things skeptics hang their hat on is that 'they' couldn't possibly exist because the distance between us and the nearest star is just too far to travel, just to buzz a few rednecks.

'I' don't find that it necessary that they be 'from' anywhere else. They could be from right here.

That said, I have no problem with the term E.T., as they are no longer 'here', but rather 'up there'.

Alien is something you'd have to prove...

Why would I have to prove that they're alien. Everything you say about them defines them as such. According to you, they've evolved in some way since they left the earth, and they don't live amongst us. That makes them aliens. The problem is not whether or not they're alien, it's whether or not you understand the meaning of the word.

 

[GeeMack]

Why would I have to prove that they're alien. Everything you say about them defines them as such. According to you, they've evolved in some way since they left the earth, and they don't live amongst us. That makes them aliens. The problem is not whether or not they're alien, it's whether or not you understand the meaning of the word.

Absolutely. They're aliens. They aren't real. There's no evidence to suggest they actually exist. But given the descriptions offered and the claims made (unsupportable though they may be), "they" are definitively aliens.

 

[carlitos]

I don't reject every alternative...

I am arguing that these unrelated events MIGHT in fact be the same thing(s), I saw with mine own eyes.

When you are face to face with evidence of an existence, disbelief is no longer an option.

They exist.

I report this as a truth, as of yet, unknown to you. Its reality is not dependent upon your acceptance.

Delusions of grandeur. How many people have you convinced of 'their' existence?

 

[bruto]

Just a couple of clarifications here for KoA, just so we know we're speaking the same language. First, a typical definition of "alien," here from the Collins dictionary:

alien [ˈeɪljən ˈeɪlɪən]
n
1. (Law) a person owing allegiance to a country other than that in which he lives; foreigner
2. any being or thing foreign to the environment in which it now exists
3. (Literary & Literary Critical Terms) (in science fiction) a being from another world, sometimes specifically an extraterrestrial
adj
1. unnaturalized; foreign
2. having foreign allegiance alien territory
3. unfamiliar; strange an alien quality in a work of art
4. (postpositive and foll by to) repugnant or opposed (to) war is alien to his philosophy
5. (in science fiction) of or from another world
vb
(Law) (tr) Rare to transfer (property, etc.) to another
[from Latin aliēnus foreign, from alius other]

And from the same dictionary, only partial, since the first sense of the word is sufficient to convey the meaning:

fail1
vb
1. to be unsuccessful in an attempt (at something or to do something)

In all pertinent senses, the beings of which this thread is the purported subject are aliens. In any sense of an attempt to persuade anyone of your beliefs or induce anyone to act on your beliefs, you fail.

This is not to discourage you from continuing, because there is one area in which you have not yet failed: entertainment.

 

[carlitos]

First they ignore you
Then they ridicule you
Then they look up
Then the alien corn gods show up to kick ass in the 220 hurdles

 

[tsig]

I'd LOOK with my own eyes, then use my experience to determine whether or not to leap or not.

I would not require repeated testing, or conclusive proof, before deciding upon a course of action.

If I were being chased by an axe wielding killer, and the drop looked like 8-12 feet, I'd give it a go. Waiting until I verified that I could indeed survive the fall would be stupid...

But you would take time to look even with an ax wielding murderer chasing you?

BTW: where did he come from?

 

[tsig]

I've SEEN things they haven't.

I've SEEN things you haven't.

 

[tsig]

We live our lives by a certain standard, set of rules governing our day to day lives. When something new and different comes along, our lives are altered, even if only a little. While I have never bought a Britney Spears album, I know of her existence, and that she was/is a pop music icon. I could even say I'd probably recognize her in a crowd. And she was just one singer...

Something like 'first contact' with E.T. I think that would have a profound and lasting effect on the whole of the world.

I don't know what their intentions are or were, but if they meant us harm, I think they'd have done it by now.

Britany Spears an ET, that would explain so much.

 

[King of the Americas]

Why would I have to prove that they're alien. Everything you say about them defines them as such. According to you, they've evolved in some way since they left the earth, and they don't live amongst us. That makes them aliens. The problem is not whether or not they're alien, it's whether or not you understand the meaning of the word.

If I took up permanent residence on the space station, and had kids. My kids would be E.T.'s but I wouldn't consider them alien to Earth.

At the very least they'd be Earth orbiters...

 

[King of the Americas]

How profound is Puma Punku if you can't attribute it to the work of the advanced technology of heavenly visitors with better than a "may have"?

It were indeed so profound, shouldn't it be a bit more definitive than a maybe?

One more question...

Regarding the motives of the heavenly visitors... might their designs include sapping and impurifying our precious bodily fluids? Any theories on that?

No.

&

No.

 

[I Ratant]

Britany Spears an ET, that would explain so much.

.
Like Dennis Rodman....

 

[bruto]

If I took up permanent residence on the space station, and had kids. My kids would be E.T.'s but I wouldn't consider them alien to Earth.

At the very least they'd be Earth orbiters...

Perhaps, depending on how you define it, but truly permanent residence is inherent alienation, and there would be little question about, say, their great great great grandchildren. If after enough generations they had evolved, as you suggest your spacegods have (remember that this is a necessary dodge for distinguishing them from the gods who were so hungry for sacrifices of beating hearts and mass infusions of starved children), then they would be, without question, aliens.

 

[dafydd]

Delusions of grandeur. How many people have you convinced of 'their' existence?

Less than one?

 

[Psiload]

No.

&

No.

Okay, I see we've given up on the pretense of rational discussion, and
The King now proclaiming monosyllabic royal decrees.

I'll leave you to your folly, your highness.

Me... out.

 

[carlitos]

That some can't, won't, and don't interpret these things AS the same phenomena responsible for modern U.F.O.'s is flatly incorrect.

Actually, it is exactly the same phenomena. When confronted with something they couldn't explain, people assumed gods. The difference is, most people have better information now. Primitive cultures had an excuse that you do not have.

 

[GeeMack]

Actually, it is exactly the same phenomena. When confronted with something they couldn't explain, people assumed gods. The difference is, most people have better information now. Primitive cultures had an excuse that you most of us do not have.

Fixed that for you.

 

[RoboTimbo]

KotA, do you look down on the indigenous people at Puma Punku because they attributed the things they didn't understand in nature to "gods"?

How about the people at Nazca? Were they smart enough to scrape away the top layer of desert surface all by themselves?

 

[bruto]

Returning momentarily to a previous digression, I found this interesting page on the UNCONTACTED TRIBES. It does a pretty good job of explaining just what is meant by the term, and how uncontacted they might be. Note that "uncontacted" means no peaceful contact with the mainstream or dominant society, and that tribes currently uncontacted may even have foregone contact made by earlier generations.

The good news for most concerned with this issue, except of course for cultural chauvinists like KotA, is that the Peruvian government has weighed in.

 

[King of the Americas]

KotA, do you look down on the indigenous people at Puma Punku because they attributed the things they didn't understand in nature to "gods"?

How about the people at Nazca? Were they smart enough to scrape away the top layer of desert surface all by themselves?

No.

&

Moving dark stones aside hardly takes advanced technology. The real question is who were the pictograms intended for?

 

[King of the Americas]

Perhaps, depending on how you define it, but truly permanent residence is inherent alienation, and there would be little question about, say, their great great great grandchildren. If after enough generations they had evolved, as you suggest your spacegods have (remember that this is a necessary dodge for distinguishing them from the gods who were so hungry for sacrifices of beating hearts and mass infusions of starved children), then they would be, without question, aliens.

If Earth was the only terra 'they' have known, how could they be re-classified as alien. E.T.'s sure, but not alien. Imagine an American who takes up permanent resident on a boat in international waters. Their kids wouldn't become citizens of another nation, especially if they never made landfall somewhere else. And if they stayed within international water, or orbit in this case, I wouldn't revoke their Earthly residence card.