• Quick note - the problem with Youtube videos not embedding on the forum appears to have been fixed, thanks to ZiprHead. If you do still see problems let me know.

Merged Their Return

King of the Americas said:
I never said there was "proof"...

There weren't proof of bioluminescent fish, when the first report of such things emerged, either. But their existence wasn't conditional upon such proof.

The "U" stands for unidentified. It does NOT stand for unseen, unreal, unheard of, or any other not real U-word you can summon.

I've never claimed anything more than "They exist." I DON'T know what they are, where they live, or what they purpose to do.
Click to expand...


Did it take half of the world's population gazing oceanward for the bioluminescent fish to reveal themselves?
 
King of the Americas said:
Yes.

No.

No.
Click to expand...

I'm sorry... but expecting half the world's population to participate in a spectacle based upon someone's pet theory(a theory which that someone admits could be absolutely wrong)... that, my friend, is the very definition of a conceited, foolish, arrogant delusion of grandeur.
 
bruto said:
Let's get this nonsense straight here. The term "alien" does not mean "from the stars." If they're not living here on earth, they're aliens. It doesn't matter where you think their ancestors might have come from. Are they earth dwellers now? NO? Then they're aliens. Are they ordinary human beings? NO? They're not from here. They're not us. They're aliens. That's what the word means!
Click to expand...

Okay, one of the things skeptics hang their hat on is that 'they' couldn't possibly exist because the distance between us and the nearest star is just too far to travel, just to buzz a few rednecks.

'I' don't find that it necessary that they be 'from' anywhere else. They could be from right here.

That said, I have no problem with the term E.T., as they are no longer 'here', but rather 'up there'.

Alien is something you'd have to prove...
 
King of the Americas said:
There weren't proof of bioluminescent fish, when the first report of such things emerged, either. But their existence wasn't conditional upon such proof.
Click to expand...

What you're proposing isn't bioluminescent fish.

I saw a show last night that made me think of your heavenly agents hypothesis, because on the surface it seems to be a very similar proposition.

When scientists a few decades ago were calculating the mass of galaxies, they found that the mass of all the stars and dust wasn't sufficient to keep the galaxy from flying apart. One scientist solved the problem by proposing the existence of dark matter.

Today most scientists accept the existence of this type of matter, even though they have never seen it nor do they have any idea what it may be like. The reason they believe in it is that the universe makes no sense any other way. If dark matter doesn't exist, then we must substitute something else with exactly the same properties. We may as well call this dark matter as well.

How is your hypothesis different? Easy...the universe makes perfect sense without the existence of heavenly agents. Everything you cite as evidence for them can be explained by something else, even if it's just a different woo explanation. This leaves us asking the question: With all these possible explanations, why choose THIS one?

I can only conclude that you have an emotional attachment to your particular conclusion. There is no rational series of steps from "unknown phenomena" to "heavenly agents".
 
Last edited:
You do realize that we know what's "up there" don't you? There isn't any place for the ET gods to hide.
 
Psiload said:
I'm sorry... but expecting half the world's population to participate in a spectacle based upon someone's pet theory(a theory which that someone admits could be absolutely wrong)... that, my friend, is the very definition of a conceited, foolish, arrogant delusion of grandeur.
Click to expand...

It COULD be right, and deliver unto mankind, a new age.

All that we have to lose is our illusions.

Don't hate, participate.
 
I withdraw this question:
RoboTimbo said:
For future ease of use, how are we to distinguish you asserting your fantasies as reality from actual reality as observed by everyone else?
Click to expand...
And ask instead:

How do you distinguish your fantasies from actual reality as observed by everyone else?
 
King of the Americas said:
Because I've seen them.
Click to expand...

And again I ask:

HOW DO YOU KNOW you've correctly identified them?


Let's take a different approach.

You say you know they exist. What properties do they have? You mentioned advanced technology and a desire to help mankind. That's pretty specific. Where did you get this information from?
 
carlitos said:
Someone with a fast Camaro might be familiar with these not-so-heavenly agents.

Click to expand...

Indeed.

I got pulled over more times in that car, than all the other times before or after combined.

Talk about a cop magnet. One day, I was pulled over twice before noon, for traveling 60 mph in a 55 zone, on an interstate! Neither officer gave me a ticket, and let me go with a warning. I think the wheelchair provides me a little insulation from some ticketing.
 
Here's my pet theory...

Given the track record of the previous civilizations who had knowledge of, and interaction with, the heavenly visitors; The Mayans, The Ancient Egyptians, The Incas, and The Tiwanaku... all civilizations which subsequently collapsed and ceased to exist.

Therefore...

I propose that at the next Olympic games, half the world's population should pause and extend a middle finger skyward.
 
aggle-rithm said:
And again I ask:

HOW DO YOU KNOW you've correctly identified them?


Let's take a different approach.

You say you know they exist. What properties do they have? You mentioned advanced technology and a desire to help mankind. That's pretty specific. Where did you get this information from?
Click to expand...

They performed maneuvers beyond that of known aircraft capability.

I have thus far been unable to positively identify what I saw, thus the U.F.O. tag.

Not being able to conclude what they were specifically, is NOT me saying I couldn't see what flight patterns they took.

Melding together to form a 4-fold larger version of themselves is advanced.

Honestly, I don't KNOW what their purpose is. One ASSUMPTION is that they are watching us, like our scientists watch wildlife, studying them in an attempt to know what preserves them.
 
King of the Americas said:
It COULD be right, and deliver unto mankind, a new age.
Click to expand...

Or, as historical precedence has demonstrated, interacting with the heavenly visitors WOULD garner us a few primitive stone structures, and an ultimate collapse of our civilization.

Why do you speculate on a bright future resulting from contact with the heavenly visitors, when history supports quite the opposite outcome?
 
Last edited:
KotA said:
Melding together to form a 4-fold larger version of themselves is advanced.
Click to expand...
Kittens with flashlights dangling from their collars could replicate the trick with the light. Not very advanced, eh?
 
carlitos said:
Kittens with flashlights dangling from their collars could replicate the trick with the light. Not very advanced, eh?
Click to expand...

Airborne kittens with flashlights dangling from their collars, "over the Red River", performing 90 degree turns without slowing down would be advanced, eh?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Back
Top Bottom