The VFF Test is On!

You're cute! :)

How confident are you that scars were not visible? She mentioned tattoos as being distracting, so she must have seen skin somehow. It's hard to tell what she could and could not see by looking from an angle.

Thanks! :)

Pretty confident. I told him to keep his forearm facing down and the scars aren't visible in that position. I even checked from a few angles. (We had an hour to kill.) He's got full sleeves on both sides, so if she saw his arms at all, she saw tattoos.
 
OK. I will take your word for it. But I do recall reading on this thread, or your Chat Room on the (my time) Sunday morning that the only person who was supposed to know who the target subjects were was not allowed in the test room during the test.

That's what I recall, and I just checked the tape where Jim says that nobody in the room knows who the target is. However, as Jonquil pointed out, he could be told *after* each trial.

As I have discussed in the IIG Protocol thread, you don't put everything you intend to do in the "protocol" because it's really a contract that both parties sign. You don't obligate yourself to do anything the claimant doesn't require you to do in order to reduce the chances of possible breaches.

From the latter part of this thread alone, knowledge of who the second subject was, was potentially available to everybody except the janitor (yes, that is hyperbole)

Personally, I would have rejected Bookitty and her friend. Hell, I would have rejected her friend just for being so damned tall, having a limp, and having visible scars I'd have to worry about hiding. Then again, I have no idea how difficult it was to find somebody missing a kidney and also willing to give up the better part of a Saturday to entertain some woman's fantasies.
 
Personally, I would have rejected Bookitty and her friend. Hell, I would have rejected her friend just for being so damned tall, having a limp, and having visible scars I'd have to worry about hiding. Then again, I have no idea how difficult it was to find somebody missing a kidney and also willing to give up the better part of a Saturday to entertain some woman's fantasies.

Tall? He's only 6'1" and they didn't know about the limp. It didn't occur to me to mention it because this wasn't about legs. It was about sitting still and missing a kidney.

Plus, things are getting a bit blown out of proportion. Sure, my friend is tall and has a limp. But, had she picked anyone else and that person (or a friend) had come to this forum to divulge their life story, something would have been odd. The subject were human beings, not beakers or lab rats. There's a lot of variation in health, lifestyle, body type, etc.

It couldn't have been easy to get volunteers. Because I had some weird idea that they needed 60 people, I canvassed my friends and family. They thought the concept was cool but were not interested in participating. Either they didn't like the idea of sitting in front of people while a would-be psychic examined them or they were busy that weekend.
 
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I also have to say that some of these comments about weight and appearance are not nice, and they also can hurt the feelings of the other women who read this forum, and make an unwelcoming environment. Some men may not know that it is easy for women to take these things personally because of the culture we are raised in. I think it is good that many people apologized right away for what they said in the chat transcript during the IFF test.

Hopefully we can continue insulting people in other, more equitable, gender neutral ways. ;)
 
People, stop talking about my weight. It's kind of tacky to do that.
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And how tacky do you think it is to pretend that you *weren't* told about bookitty's friend before she mentioned him again?

You attacks on and threats against forum members?

Your multiple lies?
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And how tacky do you think it is to pretend that you *weren't* told about bookitty's friend before she mentioned him again?

You attacks on and threats against forum members?

Your multiple lies?
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What on earth are you on about? I absolutely was not told about subject 24 being bookitty's friend before the test! I only found out after the test when bookitty mentioned it here. I do recall reading her posts before the test about her friend who had had an accident, but I reasonably assumed that this person would not be on the test and I did not recognize him. But even at that, the test results of trial 2 are disqualified. What makes you think I was told that subject 24 was bookitty's friend before the test?

Attacks and threats against Forum members? When I objected against what lexvonrockets said in UncaYimmy's chat forum during the test? How is that a threat or an attack? I simply noted that it is against school regulations for a university staff member to make personal insults against the appearance of university students and to gossip from faculty meetings and to misrepresent what a faculty member would have said, and to construe it as if I would have been flirting with a faculty member when in fact I contacted that faculty member and confirmed that of course I was not. There is no threat, because it was a consequence. And there was no attack, I simply had a meeting with the school's administration and showed them her comments and asked them to decide whether or not there was anything inappropriate.

What lies? Please be specific. I surely don't intend to lie, so if you think I have, then please allow me the opportunity to correct that.
 
What on earth are you on about? I absolutely was not told about subject 24 being bookitty's friend before the test! I only found out after the test when bookitty mentioned it here. I do recall reading her posts before the test about her friend who had had an accident, but I reasonably assumed that this person would not be on the test and I did not recognize him. But even at that, the test results of trial 2 are disqualified. What makes you think I was told that subject 24 was bookitty's friend before the test?

There seems to be a bit of confusion here. No one ever said that you were told about subject 24 before the test. Only afterward.
 
That's because you're sane.

HA! An affidavit! ;) Thanks, tsig. My neurologist says the same thing.

Anyway, a word to the wise, which is sufficient: if I were VFF, I would not say anything at all about #24 and what was or might have been known before, after, or during the test. Do not dig yourself a deeper hole. And please do not start blaming anyone else again, especially bookitty.
 
HA! An affidavit! ;) Thanks, tsig. My neurologist says the same thing.

Anyway, a word to the wise, which is sufficient: if I were VFF, I would not say anything at all about #24 and what was or might have been known before, after, or during the test. Do not dig yourself a deeper hole. And please do not start blaming anyone else again, especially bookitty.

Well, to be fair, it would have been better if I had waited until after the IIG released their report. Within that context, the scenario would have been less dramatic.

At this point it seems that everything I've said has done more harm than good. It is entertaining to dissect the test into little tiny bits, but it's all starting to turn into a big gooey mess.
 
Vision From Feeling,

After the test, and you saw kidneys in people who were really missing them, and saw holes where people really had kidneys, do you still claim to see kidneys from the electron probability distribution up??

What is the "matter that atoms are made of" that you said you could see vibrating?

What is the approximate wavelength of the vibrations you can sense? You should know this if you can sense something vibrating. 1Hz? 0.000001 Hz, 1000Hz???
 
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Anita, in the light of the IIG Demonstration, would you care to review and comment on the following statements?


Vision from Feeling said:
I can always detect medical information at any time and it requires no effort from me, and so far the information has always been correct

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I was pleased to find that not only do the perceptions work if I see the person from behind, but that I would actually prefer that. I learned that I only need a few seconds to form and conclude on the perceptions.
 
Anita, will you now be able to make time for Senex and the haunted motel room test?

I think you would go well on the telly with your ghost hunting show.
 
Vision From Feeling,

After the test, and you saw kidneys in people who were really missing them, and saw holes where people really had kidneys, do you still claim to see kidneys from the electron probability distribution up??

What is the "matter that atoms are made of" that you said you could see vibrating?
I certainly hold it as evidence against the claim that I thought I felt a kidney in subject 11 who was in fact missing that kidney. However I do not hold it as evidence against the claim to not detect a kidney as present because that only speaks for the frequency of the perceptions, not the accuracy, I think. I claim that when I see something it would be accurate as there or not there, depending on what I thought I saw. And I did write a questionmark when I thought I saw a kidney as not being there, so it is not that I would only write when I thought I saw them.

Electrons, protons, neutrons, and any other supposed particles that atoms are made of, can equally well be described as waves. And those waves are a vibrational pattern. But that is not what I experience to be the vibrational information. Together they form a composite pattern that depicts an atom. But I don't know if I feel that. I just experience feeling a landscape of vibrational patterns when I see a person.

What is the approximate wavelength of the vibrations you can sense? You should know this if you can sense something vibrating. 1Hz? 0.000001 Hz, 1000Hz???
Why should I be able to tell you what wavelength it is? If you had not learned from textbooks that blue visible light has a wavelength of about 475 nm would you be able to tell me what wavelength the blue sky is? And not to be picky, but Hz is frequency, not wavelength. But we all know that.

Scientific numbers are often set with reference to arbitrary standard values rather than quantities that could be determined by perception. For instance, there's no telling from feeling the distance between two planets how many miles or light-years it would be, unless of course you have a clear perception of that quantity for reference and are able to multiply it to match what you feel. But I can not do that with frequencies, to assign numbers to them. I can do relative work, though, to compare what I feel with other reference values.
 
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I certainly hold it as evidence against the claim that I thought I felt a kidney in subject 11 who was in fact missing that kidney.

So will you now accept that your statement "I can always detect medical information at any time and it requires no effort from me"? has been falsified. Yes or no, not a wall o' text please.

Norm
 
Tall? He's only 6'1" and they didn't know about the limp. It didn't occur to me to mention it because this wasn't about legs. It was about sitting still and missing a kidney.

Here's why I said he was tall:



He also looked uncomfortable and crooked, which is not unexpected for someone with a limp who has been through a major accident. His left shoulder is way higher than his right, and he's slouching.



Granted, it doesn't look like the scar was easily visible, but it looks like a pretty big scar (click to enlarge).



The major problem I see is that Anita could have used her ability to detect implants inside the body and her ability to sense pain instead of her ability to sense which kidney was missing. After all, she says those types of things occur automatically, and she has to consciously try to block them. That would have been cheating! :jaw-dropp
 
Wow this is a long thread...
Would anyone care to summarize what happened here since October?
Maybe even start a new thread for those of us who refuse to read 40 pages.

Thanks in advance.
 
As a statement, that was based on past experience with the claim, it no longer holds that I can always detect medical information at any time and it requires no effort from me. I have since had other experience that indicates otherwise. I now know that there are cases where I don't detect one way or the other or that it takes very long time to form a perception, and I do know that it does require effort! It is a learning process. My statements can only be based on past experiences. If I had never encountered not being able to form a perception and it taking no effort, then how could I then argue otherwise? But I now can.

Oh, stop with the ******** already. You have zero credibility. The statement FromDownUnder quoted, "I can always detect medical information at any time and it requires no effort from me" was a lie the moment you wrote it.

The reliability of your claim has repeatedly waffled ever since you arrived on this planet. The main reason the IIG test took two years to put together is because you wanted to be able to pass on people and because you claimed that your perceptions were not reliable. You claimed to be able to detect a vasectomy then later said you tried and couldn't detect vasectomies in anyone else. You claimed to be able to read people in photos and then after failing to do so, started with the oft-repeated "it's not my strongest claim." Clearly this is in direct contradiction to the statement you now claim to retract.

You have made a wide variety of completely bizarre claims that show a tenuous grasp on reality. Many of them have been clearly debunked, such as your imaginary conversations with historical figures. Well, I guess they are not debunked if these historical figures after dying choose to believe accounts of their lives as seen in popular fiction.

You have also subjected yourself to several basic tests and repeatedly failed them or failed to complete them. Every single instance where your claims have been subjected to rudimentary controls or witnesses, you have failed miserably. The IIG test was just the most public and best controlled failure.

The only reason you are here is because you believe this to be the best source for your narcissistic supply. Infamy is just as good as fame. Negative attention is just as good as positive attention.

You said up front that you expected to fail the IIG test. When your delusion was shattered, you tried to make excuses and became vindictive. Now that you're back to feeling comfortable in your delusions, you're changing things just enough in an effort to get people to continue to engage you. You know deep down it's all a bunch of nonsense, but you can't make yourself stop.

We're skeptics here, which means we think critically. You no longer present anything of interest. We have all the evidence we need to show that your claims are a bunch of nonsense. Even the most forgiving of critical thinkers can see that there is no chance in hell of you changing your beliefs in any meaningful way, which is what many people had hoped. Alas, you are typical of the woos we encounter in that you do not listen to reason.

The only difference between you and other woos is you most likely have a mental disorder that compels to return time and time again whereas most woos know when to slink away quietly into the night.
 
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Attacks and threats against Forum members? When I objected against what lexvonrockets said in UncaYimmy's chat forum during the test? How is that a threat or an attack?
If you want to discuss Anita's accusations of a "hate campaign" and her threats of pressing "charges" against myself and Lex, I would ask that you discuss this on my website in this thread since that is origin of the dispute. For the record I will not be commenting in this forum regarding the accusations.

There is a thread in Forum Management about this issue.
 
Wow this is a long thread...
Would anyone care to summarize what happened here since October?
Maybe even start a new thread for those of us who refuse to read 40 pages.

Thanks in advance.

* Anita predicted she would fail the test.
* We predicted she would try to hedge her bets.
* We predicted she would try to turn failure into success.
* We predicted she would not change her mind about her sooper powers.

Everybody was right.

Check out my rundown of Anita Ikonen's IIG test if you're interested.
 
* Anita predicted she would fail the test.
* We predicted she would try to hedge her bets.
* We predicted she would try to turn failure into success.
* We predicted she would not change her mind about her sooper powers.

Everybody was right.

Check out my rundown of Anita Ikonen's IIG test if you're interested.

Thanks...I read your link.
So what's new...
 

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