The VFF Test is On!

VFF said:
The problem is that I did detect the missing left kidney in that past experience, and even if I fail the Preliminary I will have detected it then. But failing the Preliminary will mean that I do not have a paranormal ability to detect internal organs. In that case there must be another explanation - but not false memory - to why I correctly detected the missing kidney then.
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Assuming it's not false memory, it may simply be luck.

~~ Paul
 
LostAngeles said:
Considering I was her volunteer, I'd discuss this if and only if CA laws let her.

And since they apparently don't, I move to say, "**** it," and table this. The IIG test is the important thing here. She needs to concentrate on kidneys and not migraines.
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I'm game. Anita would never have answered the question anyway.
 
So, I was looking through Dr. Carlson. And the first thing I notice, and I don't think he would mind me sharing that, is that the frontal lobe of his brain in the forehead is very active. But after all, the man is a Quantum Physicist. I actually wrote that down and told him after the reading.


wow, Dr Carlson must have been so impressed with your sooperpowers.
Especially when he found out you really, really, truly did detect his missing kidney as well!

I wonder why it is on record that he didn't believe you had any ability worth testing.
I also wonder why your "claim" involves detecting missing kidneys.

Pretty strange really.
 
I forgot to remind you too Anita - your notes from the reading with Dr Carlson that you were going to publish?
I believe some of the sciency people here call it raw data.
 
Farencue, I chose not to write down that I detected the missing left kidney. Therefore of course Dr. Carlson does not believe that I detected the missing kidney. Still, I know what I did and what I did not write down. Let's just see what happens on the IIG Preliminary.

I didn't think my diversion off-topic this time was the result of being more excited than at other times. I've been known to do silly things before.

Not too long after I had the reading with Dr. Carlson as the volunteer, I wrote down about the reading on my webpage here, find it at the middle of that page. It is however not official documentation and would not qualify as raw data.
 
Answering GeeMack's questions...
GeeMack said:
I have had a professional assessment to determine whether a false memory or mental illness might be responsible for every single claim I've made about really truly having magical x-ray vision, not just last week, but ever in my life. As any remotely sane (and honest) person would. (Maybe anyone would like to guess how many times I've claimed to really truly experience having magical powers.)
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My claim is not magical x-ray vision, but that when I look at people I see images in my mind that depict internal organs and health, and that I have experienced accuracy that should not be possible, such as in the case of detecting that a kidney was missing. The accuracy is confirmed by other people and circumstances outside of my own mind. Let's just see what happens on the IIG Preliminary. Please give me a break, it's only 20 days left. :)

GeeMack said:
So you acknowledge that you don't have the expertise, nor have you had an assessment by anyone with the proper expertise, therefore you can't claim with certainty (at least not honestly) that your supposed experience of having magical x-ray vision isn't all in your mind.
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I am absolutely certain that I detected the missing left kidney during the reading, and not after.

GeeMack said:
And since that possibility is one of the very common, mundane explanations as to why you believe (or claim to believe if you don't honestly believe) you've experienced magical x-ray powers, do you intend to have someone with the necessary professional expertise make that assessment after you participate in this IIG event? Yes or no?
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No, because it was not a false memory and of that I am certain.

GeeMack said:
Don't you think, since you claim to be a scientist science student, that it might be a good idea to work to eliminate all the mundane, common explanations before, or at least while, seeking to determine whether some supernatural powers are involved? Real scientists and most science students who honestly get good grades probably would.
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Of course, but a good science student also acknowledges the facts and starts forming hypotheses from that. I did detect the missing kidney.

I am sorry GeeMack that I detected the missing kidney and that it was not a false memory.
 
oh, okay Anita, yes I understand your reasons perfectly. Don't even worry about it for a second ok, gosh I don't know why people want proof either.

But why would that brilliant man Dr Carlson say out loud that you have not yet found any ability worth testing?
 
Oh my, what did Dr Carlson say to you when you emailed him and told him you really, really did see that dark emptiness which obviously was there because his kidney was missing?

Was he amazed or did he tell you that he didn't believe you?
 
VisionFromFeeling said:
Answering GeeMack's questions...
My claim is not magical x-ray vision, but that when I look at people I see images in my mind that depict internal organs and health,
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Errr... do you want to rephrase that?!

And do you have no comment on the scientific fact that being "really really sure" of a memory is entirely unrelated to whether or not that memory is true? All the literature on memory points to confabulation being a more-than-plausible explanation. You cannot and should not reject the simple hypothesis that you have no powers at all, and that your vivid memory is simply a hindsight-bias posthoc rationalization of something that never actually happened.
 
volatile said:
Errr... do you want to rephrase that?!

And do you have no comment on the scientific fact that being "really really sure" of a memory is entirely unrelated to whether or not that memory is true? All the literature on memory points to confabulation being a more-than-plausible explanation. You cannot and should not reject the simple hypothesis that you have no powers at all, and that your vivid memory is simply a hindsight-bias posthoc rationalization of something that never actually happened.
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But just so happens I detected the missing kidney! What am I supposed to do about that? Only 20 days until the Preliminary.
 
VisionFromFeeling said:
But just so happens I detected the missing kidney! What am I supposed to do about that? Only 20 days until the Preliminary.
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Have you read up on memory formation and memory biases? If so, on what basis do you continue to summarily reject the hypothesis that you are simply mistaken about Dr Carlson's kidney? Will you accept that a failure in the IIG test is evidence that your perceptions have no bearing on any external reality?

Also: reread the first sentence of the post of yours I quoted in my last post. You understand why it's laughable, right?
 
There isn't a speck of reason, logic, or rationality left in VfF's posts. It isn't even frustrating anymore...just chilling.
 
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VisionFromFeeling asked me a question which I answered.

pakeha said:
Originally Posted by VisionFromFeeling

...As for the attempted migraine healing, why are you arguing when I want to test that claim? And of course I am going to find out whether California laws permit me to do this. How else can I falsify that claim if not by attempting the treatment with a Skeptic who has migraines? Tell me how.
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First and most importantly, all legal imlications should have been thoroughly investigated even before making the offer. I write this in all seriousness.
Secondly, in my opinion, any att. treatments should be done under the supervision of a licensed physician. Plan on long-term study, over years.
Thirdly, centre on the IIG informal demonstration 21 November. Leave the att. treatments for another occasion; remember the lesson of the Ogilvie third 'test'. Then check out the man's home page and fanclub to see why
the alarm bells ring when a similar pattern seems to be forming.

All the best on the 21st!
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VisionFromFeeling said:
Answering GeeMack's questions...
My claim is not magical x-ray vision, but that when I look at people I see images in my mind that depict internal organs and health, and that I have experienced accuracy that should not be possible, such as in the case of detecting that a kidney was missing. The accuracy is confirmed by other people and circumstances outside of my own mind. Let's just see what happens on the IIG Preliminary. Please give me a break, it's only 20 days left. :)
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Of course you'd like a break. Nobody here believes your claim because you can't even remotely support it. But remember, you're here at a skeptics' forum where claims like yours will be picked apart with, how do they say it over at the BAUT Forum, glee and fervor?

I am absolutely certain that I detected the missing left kidney during the reading, and not after.
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If you're being honest you might feel certain, but you haven't had an assessment by anyone with the professional expertise to actually make that determination. We have volatile's research into the issue of false memories as explained in posts 252 and 255. And we have your totally unevidenced claim supported by nothing more than your word (which, I might add, has been shown to be of dubious value). The notion that you aren't remembering your experience as it really occurred carries a lot more weight right now than your repeated demand.

No, because it was not a false memory and of that I am certain.
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Yes, you've said that before. Repeating it does not make it true. You've been shown why you can't honestly claim any amount of certainty, but you're choosing to ignore that.

Of course, but a good science student also acknowledges the facts and starts forming hypotheses from that. I did detect the missing kidney.
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And again you repeat your claim. And again I'll remind you that the possibility of the events occurring differently seems to be pretty well supported, especially compared to your claim, a bunch of words, repeated, occasionally in ALL CAPS. Yours is an unsupported argument.

I am sorry GeeMack that I detected the missing kidney and that it was not a false memory.
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Don't be sorry. Be scientific. I'll remind you again that this is a skeptics' forum, and your argument appears, for all practical purposes, to be completely bogus. Until you get that professional assessment, done by someone with the necessary expertise to make a proper determination, your claim that you have a clear and true memory of the incident carries virtually no weight.
 
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