Oh yes, the Barrington declaration that just happened to be sponsored by a sweatshop loving Libertarian think tank. Just ignore that detail. Also ignore that a lot of names are fake.
Of course the Barrington's main idea was to just let everyone catch the disease and live or die. This is a radical fringe opinion no matter how many names you put in your post.
Maybe this will help a few folks here to see that the other side of the story deserves to be taken seriously. Here are some of the scientists who rejected shutting down all "non-essential" businesses, rejected mandatory universal masking, rejected closing elementary schools, and rejected mandatory universal vaccination during the COVID pandemic:
Dr. Martin Kulldorff, professor of medicine at Harvard University, a biostatistician, and epidemiologist with expertise in detecting and monitoring infectious disease outbreaks and vaccine safety evaluations.
Dr. Sunetra Gupta, professor at Oxford University, an epidemiologist with expertise in immunology, vaccine development, and mathematical modeling of infectious diseases.
Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, professor at Stanford University Medical School, a physician, epidemiologist, health economist, and public health policy expert focusing on infectious diseases and vulnerable populations.
Dr. Alexander Walker, principal at World Health Information Science Consultants, former Chair of Epidemiology, Harvard TH Chan School of Public Health, USA.
Dr. Andrius Kavaliunas, epidemiologist and assistant professor at Karolinska Institute, Sweden.
Dr. Angus Dalgleish, oncologist, infectious disease expert and professor, St. George’s Hospital Medical School, University of London, England.
Dr. Anthony J Brookes, professor of genetics, University of Leicester, England.
Dr. Annie Janvier, professor of pediatrics and clinical ethics, Université de Montréal and Sainte-Justine University Medical Centre, Canada.
Dr. Ariel Munitz, professor of clinical microbiology and immunology, Tel Aviv University, Israel.
Dr. Boris Kotchoubey, Institute for Medical Psychology, University of Tübingen, Germany.
Dr. Cody Meissner, professor of pediatrics, expert on vaccine development, efficacy, and safety. Tufts University School of Medicine, USA.
Dr. David Katz, physician and president, True Health Initiative, and founder of the Yale University Prevention Research Center, USA.
Dr. David Livermore, microbiologist, infectious disease epidemiologist and professor, University of East Anglia, England.
Dr. Eitan Friedman, professor of medicine, Tel-Aviv University, Israel.
Dr. Ellen Townsend, professor of psychology, head of the Self-Harm Research Group, University of Nottingham, England.
Dr. Eyal Shahar, physician, epidemiologist and professor (emeritus) of public health, University of Arizona, USA.
Dr. Florian Limbourg, physician and hypertension researcher, professor at Hannover Medical School, Germany.
Dr. Gabriela Gomes, mathematician studying infectious disease epidemiology, professor, University of Strathclyde, Scotland.
Dr. Gerhard Krönke, physician and professor of translational immunology, University of Erlangen-Nuremberg, Germany.
Dr. Gesine Weckmann, professor of health education and prevention, Europäische Fachhochschule, Rostock, Germany.
Dr. Günter Kampf, associate professor, Institute for Hygiene and Environmental Medicine, Greifswald University, Germany.
Dr. Helen Colhoun, professor of medical informatics and epidemiology, and public health physician, University of Edinburgh, Scotland.
Dr. Jonas Ludvigsson, pediatrician, epidemiologist and professor at Karolinska Institute and senior physician at Örebro University Hospital, Sweden.
Dr. Karol Sikora, physician, oncologist, and professor of medicine at the University of Buckingham, England.
Maybe this will help a few folks here to see that the other side of the story deserves to be taken seriously. Here are some of the scientists who rejected shutting down all "non-essential" businesses, rejected mandatory universal masking, rejected closing elementary schools, and rejected mandatory universal vaccination during the COVID pandemic:
Dr. Martin Kulldorff, professor of medicine at Harvard University, a biostatistician, and epidemiologist with expertise in detecting and monitoring infectious disease outbreaks and vaccine safety evaluations.
Dr. Sunetra Gupta, professor at Oxford University, an epidemiologist with expertise in immunology, vaccine development, and mathematical modeling of infectious diseases.
Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, professor at Stanford University Medical School, a physician, epidemiologist, health economist, and public health policy expert focusing on infectious diseases and vulnerable populations.
Dr. Alexander Walker, principal at World Health Information Science Consultants, former Chair of Epidemiology, Harvard TH Chan School of Public Health, USA.
Dr. Andrius Kavaliunas, epidemiologist and assistant professor at Karolinska Institute, Sweden.
Dr. Angus Dalgleish, oncologist, infectious disease expert and professor, St. George’s Hospital Medical School, University of London, England.
Dr. Anthony J Brookes, professor of genetics, University of Leicester, England.
Dr. Annie Janvier, professor of pediatrics and clinical ethics, Université de Montréal and Sainte-Justine University Medical Centre, Canada.
Dr. Ariel Munitz, professor of clinical microbiology and immunology, Tel Aviv University, Israel.
Dr. Boris Kotchoubey, Institute for Medical Psychology, University of Tübingen, Germany.
Dr. Cody Meissner, professor of pediatrics, expert on vaccine development, efficacy, and safety. Tufts University School of Medicine, USA.
Dr. David Katz, physician and president, True Health Initiative, and founder of the Yale University Prevention Research Center, USA.
Dr. David Livermore, microbiologist, infectious disease epidemiologist and professor, University of East Anglia, England.
Dr. Eitan Friedman, professor of medicine, Tel-Aviv University, Israel.
Dr. Ellen Townsend, professor of psychology, head of the Self-Harm Research Group, University of Nottingham, England.
Dr. Eyal Shahar, physician, epidemiologist and professor (emeritus) of public health, University of Arizona, USA.
Dr. Florian Limbourg, physician and hypertension researcher, professor at Hannover Medical School, Germany.
Dr. Gabriela Gomes, mathematician studying infectious disease epidemiology, professor, University of Strathclyde, Scotland.
Dr. Gerhard Krönke, physician and professor of translational immunology, University of Erlangen-Nuremberg, Germany.
Dr. Gesine Weckmann, professor of health education and prevention, Europäische Fachhochschule, Rostock, Germany.
Dr. Günter Kampf, associate professor, Institute for Hygiene and Environmental Medicine, Greifswald University, Germany.
Dr. Helen Colhoun, professor of medical informatics and epidemiology, and public health physician, University of Edinburgh, Scotland.
Dr. Jonas Ludvigsson, pediatrician, epidemiologist and professor at Karolinska Institute and senior physician at Örebro University Hospital, Sweden.
Dr. Karol Sikora, physician, oncologist, and professor of medicine at the University of Buckingham, England.
Of course the Barrington's main idea was to just let everyone catch the disease and live or die. This is a radical fringe opinion no matter how many names you put in your post.
I'm glad to see some mainstream conservatives, such as Charlie Kirk and Megyn Kelly, coming to RFK Jr.'s defense against the falsehoods and distortions being voiced against him by Senate Democrats, all of whom have taken huge donations from Big Pharma. Charlie Kirk:
"Many already don't trust vaccine manufacturers who enjoy legal immunity for any injuries they cause. Many already don't trust our big food producers and the ingredients they use. Many already don't trust big medicine, big hospitals, or big pharma," Kirk said. "RFK Jr. has said repeatedly he's pro-vaccine, but he's willing to ask the same questions millions of parents are asking right now about ramped-up vaccine schedules, harmful ingredients, and a blind trust in the manufacturers that are enriched by government mandates, even after COVID."
Reasonable people understand that you can have no problem with vaccination in principle but raise questions about certain vaccines and about making some vaccines mandatory even for young children and newborns.
I acutely remember the controversy over forcing military people to get the anthrax vaccine when I was in the Army in the 1990s and early 2000s, even though the vaccine had not even been approved by the FDA. I personally had three fellow soldiers who suffered severe, permanent side effects from it--one of them got a large rash on his head that never went away, while two others began to experience short-term memory loss.
It was revealed later that in numerous cases military doctors were pressured not to identify these and other side effects as reactions to the anthrax vaccine but to attribute them to other causes, even though they occurred among perfectly healthy service members soon after they received the anthrax vaccine.
It was also later revealed that the percentage of service members who experienced severe side effects from the anthrax vaccine was much higher than with other vaccines, with 84 percent of vaccine recipients reporting more severe reactions, including heart palpitations, breathing difficulty, weakness, hives, throat swelling, and dizziness (LINK). This was covered up at the time. For years the medical establishment and Big Pharma kept insisting the anthrax vaccine was perfectly safe.
The mandatory anthrax vaccine program was finally ruled illegal by the Justice Department in 2003 and again in 2004, and the VA has been forced to pay benefits to service members who suffered long-term side effects.
Another reason that Democrats don't like Bobby Kennedy is that he dared to speak out against the needless and destructive COVID shutdowns and mandatory masking, and to question the safety of the COVID vaccines. They haven't forgotten his "heresy" on this issue.
Watch this 16-minute interview between Megyn Kelly and Charlie Kirk. Very informative.
The bizarre thing is to imagine that 'Big Pharma' is somehow pro-vaccination.The drug companies get their profits from selling drugs to (amongst other things) treat infections. Anti-viral and anti-bacterial drugs. Which option is more profitable do people think? A world where a one off shot (Ok sometimes a series of three), provides life long protection against infections, producing a healthy population in which serious infections are relatively low, or a scenario in which those infections aren't prevented there are frequent out breaks when transiently acting drugs need to be given to treat or prevent infections on repeated occasions. drugs which people will buy at great expense when their life or health is threatened.
The problem with vaccines is they aren't very profitable, they aren't cheap to produce, and have to be priced low, even sold below cost (subsidised) in much of the world. The reason for the indemnity vaccine producers have is because they have to sell at such a low cost that legal liabilities could bankrupt them and put the vaccine manufacturers out of business. This is especially true where potential liability from a class action suit with punitive damages could be massive. Even potential liabilities even if not proven in court can make a business not financially viable. A-Z produced no vaccines pre-covid, because they aren't sufficiently profitable, their vaccine was a one off effort utilising their experience at making medical products combined with the technique developed by Oxford University, and done as a not for profit effort. The only way they could price and sell as a not for profit was if unpredictable liabilities were covered by the government.
A favourite anti vax trick is to ask a vaccine expert why they haven't done studies to prove vaccines don't cause autism. The trick is that the experts on what causes autism aren't vaccinologists but 'autismologists'. The studies on the causes of autism have to be done on people with autism (and controls) not on vaccines. Studies on people with autism show vaccines don't cause autism.
A big part of big pharma's profits come from the alternative non-medicines the anti-vaxxers shill so much. Big pharma has been spending the last twenty years buying out all the homeopathy, aromatherapy and other scams that the likes of RFK want to see dominate medicine. Because these types of companies are far more profitable than traditional dug manufactories.
Well, the U.S. is only 18th (out of 190) per capita covid death rate. We want to be number 1 in all things and having a raving lunatic leading HHS is one way to assure that. Having one as president/dictator helps too!
USA! USA! USA!
ETA: Forgot to credit credulous maga weirdos for their effort.
Well, the U.S. is only 18th (out of 190) per capita covid death rate. We want to be number 1 in all things and having a raving lunatic leading HHS is one way to assure that. Having one as president/dictator helps too!
A big part of big pharma's profits come from the alternative non-medicines the anti-vaxxers shill so much. Big pharma has been spending the last twenty years buying out all the homeopathy, aromatherapy and other scams that the likes of RFK want to see dominate medicine. Because these types of companies are far more profitable than traditional dug manufactories.
Well, at least it could ensure there are less MAGA voters in the future once a quick bout of Polio or the pox wipes out most of their children.
Oh no wait, they will pray the disease away.
Well, at least it could ensure there are less MAGA voters in the future once a quick bout of Polio or the pox wipes out most of their children.
Oh no wait, they will pray the disease away.
There was program on this I heard today. apparently snake oil was effective until it came to the US. The original chinese snakeoil had bioactive compounds that probably made it effective as an anti-inflammatory. The US version was made from different ingredients and was less effective. Snakeoil may have originally had racist (anti-Chinese) associations.
Neither do I, in fact I'm a proponent for mandatory vaccination, but some people would like the US to go back to the early 1800's, including re-introducing preventable diseases.
Not to stray too far from the thread, but the GB declaration was based on the now proven false idea that herd immunity would occur, that once people had been infected by SARS-CoV-2 then lasting immunity would occur. We now know the assumptions these people made are wrong. They were well meaning, if their assumption about herd immunity occurring had been correct then they would have been correct. Their starting assumption was wrong, so their recommendations were wrong. Also many advocated hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin as preventative and curative treatment, treatments we now know are ineffective.
Even great people can be wrong, I actually know a couple. But they were wrong in their starting assumptions. They were and remain a minority.
For infection preventionists and frontline healthcare workers, the Great Barrington Declaration places their lives and livelihood at risk. A field hospital has been activated in Wisconsin and the state is at risk of running out of hospital beds and trained staff.
Thousands of medical practitioners and public health scientists have signed a declaration arguing for an alternative public health approach to dealing with covid-19. The Great Barrington Declaration,1 published on Monday 5 October, was drawn up by three epidemiologists and public health experts...
I honestly don't think the GBD people were well meaning. They were working to the same agenda as tobacco and oil PR shills do with respect to lung cancer and climate change, obscuring a truth that they know full well, simply because that truth can hurt them or their paymasters.
Maybe this will help a few folks here to see that the other side of the story deserves to be taken seriously. Here are some of the scientists who rejected shutting down all "non-essential" businesses, rejected mandatory universal masking, rejected closing elementary schools, and rejected mandatory universal vaccination during the COVID pandemic:
Cool. Are you going to compare that list with a list of the scientists who did not reject shutting down businesses, mandatory masking, closing elementary schools and universal vaccination?
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