From Fox News: "RFK crushed it," conservative commentator Charlie Kirk posted on X. "Very proud of him. Confirm him, now!" "RFK killed it today," RNC national committeewoman Amy Kremer posted on X." So proud of him! LFG." RFK Jr is crushing this hearing," former GOP Rep. Scott Taylor posted on X. "Dems look unhinged and very petty. America is sicker, more obese, and more unhealthy than ever. Something has to change!" "The room ERUPTED in applause IMMEDIATELY after RFK Jr’s confirmation hearing concluded," conservative commentator Benny Johnson posted on X. "Confirm him." "Absolute masterclass," Trump 2024 Deputy Rapid Response Director Greg Price posted on X during the hearing.
As someone not directly affected by his appointment, part of me wants him to be confirmed if only to see how people respond to having their faces eaten.
On sober reflection, too many people will die as a result and it's likely that the poisonous attitudes may spread internationally.
It's amazing that people could look at the confirmation hearing and conclude that RFK Jnr crushed it and that the Democrats were being petty.
Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s bid to be the nation’s top health official is uncertain after a key Republican joined Democrats to raise persistent concerns over the nominee’s deep skepticism of routine childhood vaccinations that prevent deadly diseases.
Cassidy is doing the Senator Collins patented routine, showing "concerns" before falling into line. He'll have a perfect phone call with Jnr over the weekend, guaranteed.
I was glad to see Senator Rand Paul inject some sanity and fact into RFK Jr.'s confirmation hearing. Here's an interview that Senator Paul recently gave on the subject (LINK).
Also, it's worth noting that the Democrat senators who are grilling RFK Jr. with the most hostility have taken huge donations from Big Pharma.
(The Center Square) – Three senators who displayed some of the most hostility towards Health and Human Services secretary nominee Robert F. Kennedy Jr. at his confirmation hearing Wednesday all
www.thecentersquare.com
And, you know, you'd think the Democrats would be happy to have an HHS Secretary who is much closer to their view on abortion than to the Republican view. RFK Jr. supports allowing abortion until week 28, i.e., up to 7 months into the pregnancy.
And, you know, you'd think the Democrats would be happy to have an HHS Secretary who is much closer to their view on abortion than to the Republican view. RFK Jr. supports allowing abortion until week 28, i.e., up to 7 months into the pregnancy.
I'd say its more telling that Republican Senators have made no issue of it because they are cowards afraid of offending Trump.
You seem to be under the delusion that having a pro-choice stance is all the Dems care about. Not so. They are legitimately concerned about his crazy ideas on medical issues and his anti-vaxx stance.
(The rest of Mikey's post is not worthy of a response.)
I was glad to see Senator Rand Paul inject some sanity and fact into RFK Jr.'s confirmation hearing. Here's an interview that Senator Paul recently gave on the subject (LINK).
Also, it's worth noting that the Democrat senators who are grilling RFK Jr. with the most hostility have taken huge donations from Big Pharma.
"Will you defend the law in the Inflation Reduction Act which already is negotiating prescription drug prices?" Sanders asked, referring to the Biden-era measure that empowered Medicare to negotiate the prices of a select number of prescription drugs directly with pharmaceutical companies.
Declining to provide a yes or no answer to Sanders' question, Kennedy replied that "President Trump wants us to negotiate drug prices" and added that, if confirmed as Health and Human Services (HHS) secretary, he would "comply with the laws."
Quiver Quantitative, a financial technology startup that provides data on insider trading and campaign contributions, listed no corporate PAC donors for Sanders—let alone any within the folds of the pharmaceutical industry. The company noted, however, that they do not currently track donations by industry employees.
Kennedy, meanwhile, has seemingly made a business out of his extreme public health stances. A disclosure form filed for his nomination revealed that the outspoken vaccine critic pulled in roughly $10 million over the last year related to dividends from his vaccine lawsuits, anti-vax speaking fees, and leading Children’s Health Defense, a nonprofit dedicated to spreading misinformation about vaccine efficacy.
(The Center Square) – Three senators who displayed some of the most hostility towards Health and Human Services secretary nominee Robert F. Kennedy Jr. at his confirmation hearing Wednesday all
www.thecentersquare.com
And, you know, you'd think the Democrats would be happy to have an HHS Secretary who is much closer to their view on abortion than to the Republican view. RFK Jr. supports allowing abortion until week 28, i.e., up to 7 months into the pregnancy.
The HHS Secretary has nothing to do with the legality of abortion. Kennedy has clearly abandoned any principles he had on this issue by hitching his wagon to an anti-abortion administration, but he probably rationalizes it by telling himself it will give him more children he can kill with infectious diseases.
(The Center Square) – Three senators who displayed some of the most hostility towards Health and Human Services secretary nominee Robert F. Kennedy Jr. at his confirmation hearing Wednesday all
I can't get that link to work.
However, I was able to check the source. Ironic, for someone complaining about taking huge donations, that the funding for the center square is so opaque.
mikegriffith 1: Do you knnow who funds this outlet, and what their agenda is? After all, it was you who raised this subject.
RIGHT-CENTER BIAS These media sources are slightly to moderately conservative in bias. They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words
I'm glad to see some mainstream conservatives, such as Charlie Kirk and Megyn Kelly, coming to RFK Jr.'s defense against the falsehoods and distortions being voiced against him by Senate Democrats, all of whom have taken huge donations from Big Pharma. Charlie Kirk:
"Many already don't trust vaccine manufacturers who enjoy legal immunity for any injuries they cause. Many already don't trust our big food producers and the ingredients they use. Many already don't trust big medicine, big hospitals, or big pharma," Kirk said. "RFK Jr. has said repeatedly he's pro-vaccine, but he's willing to ask the same questions millions of parents are asking right now about ramped-up vaccine schedules, harmful ingredients, and a blind trust in the manufacturers that are enriched by government mandates, even after COVID."
Reasonable people understand that you can have no problem with vaccination in principle but raise questions about certain vaccines and about making some vaccines mandatory even for young children and newborns.
I acutely remember the controversy over forcing military people to get the anthrax vaccine when I was in the Army in the 1990s and early 2000s, even though the vaccine had not even been approved by the FDA. I personally had three fellow soldiers who suffered severe, permanent side effects from it--one of them got a large rash on his head that never went away, while two others began to experience short-term memory loss.
It was revealed later that in numerous cases military doctors were pressured not to identify these and other side effects as reactions to the anthrax vaccine but to attribute them to other causes, even though they occurred among perfectly healthy service members soon after they received the anthrax vaccine.
It was also later revealed that the percentage of service members who experienced severe side effects from the anthrax vaccine was much higher than with other vaccines, with 84 percent of vaccine recipients reporting more severe reactions, including heart palpitations, breathing difficulty, weakness, hives, throat swelling, and dizziness (LINK). This was covered up at the time. For years the medical establishment and Big Pharma kept insisting the anthrax vaccine was perfectly safe.
The mandatory anthrax vaccine program was finally ruled illegal by the Justice Department in 2003 and again in 2004, and the VA has been forced to pay benefits to service members who suffered long-term side effects.
Another reason that Democrats don't like Bobby Kennedy is that he dared to speak out against the needless and destructive COVID shutdowns and mandatory masking, and to question the safety of the COVID vaccines. They haven't forgotten his "heresy" on this issue.
Watch this 16-minute interview between Megyn Kelly and Charlie Kirk. Very informative.
The thing about conspiracy theorists is that they are so gullible and incurious that disproving their garbage is embarrassingly easy.
The HHS Secretary has nothing to do with the legality of abortion. Kennedy has clearly abandoned any principles he had on this issue by hitching his wagon to an anti-abortion administration, but he probably rationalizes it by telling himself it will give him more children he can kill with infectious diseases.
The bizarre thing is to imagine that 'Big Pharma' is somehow pro-vaccination.The drug companies get their profits from selling drugs to (amongst other things) treat infections. Anti-viral and anti-bacterial drugs. Which option is more profitable do people think? A world where a one off shot (Ok sometimes a series of three), provides life long protection against infections, producing a healthy population in which serious infections are relatively low, or a scenario in which those infections aren't prevented there are frequent out breaks when transiently acting drugs need to be given to treat or prevent infections on repeated occasions. drugs which people will buy at great expense when their life or health is threatened.
The problem with vaccines is they aren't very profitable, they aren't cheap to produce, and have to be priced low, even sold below cost (subsidised) in much of the world. The reason for the indemnity vaccine producers have is because they have to sell at such a low cost that legal liabilities could bankrupt them and put the vaccine manufacturers out of business. This is especially true where potential liability from a class action suit with punitive damages could be massive. Even potential liabilities even if not proven in court can make a business not financially viable. A-Z produced no vaccines pre-covid, because they aren't sufficiently profitable, their vaccine was a one off effort utilising their experience at making medical products combined with the technique developed by Oxford University, and done as a not for profit effort. The only way they could price and sell as a not for profit was if unpredictable liabilities were covered by the government.
A favourite anti vax trick is to ask a vaccine expert why they haven't done studies to prove vaccines don't cause autism. The trick is that the experts on what causes autism aren't vaccinologists but 'autismologists'. The studies on the causes of autism have to be done on people with autism (and controls) not on vaccines. Studies on people with autism show vaccines don't cause autism.
Read: Don't bother you with any facts that don't support what you want to believe. I'm guessing you couldn't bring yourself to read the link or watch the video, right? Right?
I'm glad to see some mainstream conservatives, such as Charlie Kirk and Megyn Kelly, coming to RFK Jr.'s defense against the falsehoods and distortions being voiced against him by Senate Democrats, all of whom have taken huge donations from Big Pharma. Charlie Kirk:
"Many already don't trust vaccine manufacturers who enjoy legal immunity for any injuries they cause. Many already don't trust our big food producers and the ingredients they use. Many already don't trust big medicine, big hospitals, or big pharma," Kirk said. "RFK Jr. has said repeatedly he's pro-vaccine, but he's willing to ask the same questions millions of parents are asking right now about ramped-up vaccine schedules, harmful ingredients, and a blind trust in the manufacturers that are enriched by government mandates, even after COVID."
Reasonable people understand that you can have no problem with vaccination in principle but raise questions about certain vaccines and about making some vaccines mandatory even for young children and newborns.
I acutely remember the controversy over forcing military people to get the anthrax vaccine when I was in the Army in the 1990s and early 2000s, even though the vaccine had not even been approved by the FDA. I personally had three fellow soldiers who suffered severe, permanent side effects from it--one of them got a large rash on his head that never went away, while two others began to experience short-term memory loss.
It was revealed later that in numerous cases military doctors were pressured not to identify these and other side effects as reactions to the anthrax vaccine but to attribute them to other causes, even though they occurred among perfectly healthy service members soon after they received the anthrax vaccine.
It was also later revealed that the percentage of service members who experienced severe side effects from the anthrax vaccine was much higher than with other vaccines, with 84 percent of vaccine recipients reporting more severe reactions, including heart palpitations, breathing difficulty, weakness, hives, throat swelling, and dizziness (LINK). This was covered up at the time. For years the medical establishment and Big Pharma kept insisting the anthrax vaccine was perfectly safe.
The mandatory anthrax vaccine program was finally ruled illegal by the Justice Department in 2003 and again in 2004, and the VA has been forced to pay benefits to service members who suffered long-term side effects.
Another reason that Democrats don't like Bobby Kennedy is that he dared to speak out against the needless and destructive COVID shutdowns and mandatory masking, and to question the safety of the COVID vaccines. They haven't forgotten his "heresy" on this issue.
Watch this 16-minute interview between Megyn Kelly and Charlie Kirk. Very informative.
I love how she (I don't whether Megyn or Charlie is the one that identifies as female) complained about the chloride in the water, appropriately she complained about a sea of toxins a bit earlier. A fact free rant by people who are concerned about chloride being in water, I'm sure she'd be horrified by the levels of dihydrogen oxide in common foodstuffs. The opinions of people who are clearly scientifically illiterate aren't going to influence me.
I love how she (I don't whether Megyn or Charlie is the one that identifies as female) complained about the chloride in the water, appropriately she complained about a sea of toxins a bit earlier. A fact free rant by people who are concerned about chloride being in water, I'm sure she'd be horrified by the levels of dihydrogen oxide in common foodstuffs. The opinions of people who are clearly scientifically illiterate aren't going to influence me.
It's hardly a "fact-free rant." Many of the things they discuss are now virtually universally acknowledged. You say they're "scientifically illiterate" because you've only read one side of the story.
Do you have any idea how many vaccines have been pulled off the market because they proved to be unsafe? Have your left-wing sources told you anything about the problems that were discovered with the J&J and AstraZeneca COVID vaccines? Why do you suppose the COVID vaccines were given immunity from liability?
As of 9/24/21, over three quarters of a million (752,803) adverse events following COVID vaccines had been reported to the national Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), including 15,937 deaths. According to a government-funded study at Harvard, less than 1% of all vaccine adverse reactions are actually submitted to VAERS.
In case you dare yourself to read scientific information that does not support Big Pharma propaganda, here are some articles for you:
In this Perspective, Su, Du and Jiang discuss lessons from previous vaccine development efforts for other viruses and how the mechanisms of vaccine-associated disease enhancement seen in some viral infections can inform the development of a safe and efficacious COVID-19 vaccine.
www.nature.com
I trust you've heard of the science journal Nature. This article documents, among other things, that in one study, vaccinated infants got much sicker than the unvaccinated infants when exposed to the respiratory syncytial virus (RSV) naturally, with 80% of the vaccinated infants requiring hospitalization. Two died. In subsequent studies, vaccinated animals became very sick when they later became infected with the actual virus. Many died. This phenomenon is called Antibody Dependent Enhancement (ADE).
It's hardly a "fact-free rant." Many of the things they discuss are now virtually universally acknowledged. You say they're "scientifically illiterate" because you've only read one side of the story.
Do you have any idea how many vaccines have been pulled off the market because they proved to be unsafe? Have your left-wing sources told you anything about the problems that were discovered with the J&J and AstraZeneca COVID vaccines? Why do you suppose the COVID vaccines were given immunity from liability?
As of 9/24/21, over three quarters of a million (752,803) adverse events following COVID vaccines had been reported to the national Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), including 15,937 deaths. According to a government-funded study at Harvard, less than 1% of all vaccine adverse reactions are actually submitted to VAERS.
In case you dare yourself to read scientific information that does not support Big Pharma propaganda, here are some articles for you:
In this Perspective, Su, Du and Jiang discuss lessons from previous vaccine development efforts for other viruses and how the mechanisms of vaccine-associated disease enhancement seen in some viral infections can inform the development of a safe and efficacious COVID-19 vaccine.
www.nature.com
I trust you've heard of the science journal Nature. This article documents, among other things, that in one study, vaccinated infants got much sicker than the unvaccinated infants when exposed to the respiratory syncytial virus (RSV) naturally, with 80% of the vaccinated infants requiring hospitalization. Two died. In subsequent studies, vaccinated animals became very sick when they later became infected with the actual virus. Many died. This phenomenon is called Antibody Dependent Enhancement (ADE).
Yes, I do know about vaccines pulled from the market. As a UK physician I am very familiar with AZ covid vaccines adverse effects, we had detailed guidance on what to look for. The J&J vaccine was not used much so I am less familiar with the details. I explained above why immunity to liability was given to the AZ vaccine in particular and vaccines in general, because profits are so low and the AZ vaccine in particular was sold at cost which would not have been possible if an unknown liability had to be costed in.
VAERS has many problems, there are discussions on this elsewhere and I am not going to expand on why VAERS numbers are of little scientific value.
With regards to the RSV vaccine this effect was noted during the trial on the vaccine and it was never put into widespread use. This trial was in the 1960s, it took thirty years to understand why there was more serious illness in the vaccinated group. Sixty years after the first attempt at a RSV vaccination there is now a successful infant vaccination against RSV one of the most persisting and severe infant infections in the developed world. RSV is a horrible illness in infants and if we can reduce this it will be a major success for vaccines. I suspect you have never seen or looked after infants sick with RSV, or seen a child with SSPE, or people with liver cancer from hepatitis B. The fact that along with cervical cancer we also have liver cancer as a vaccine preventable cancer is a major vaccine success.
Yes I have heard of Nature. The first article I looked up (and copied) when I started university was the original Crick and Watson paper in nature on the structure of DNA.
The determination in 1953 of the structure of deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA), with its two entwined helices and paired organic bases, was a tour de force in X-ray crystallography. But more significantly, it also opened the way for a deeper understanding of perhaps the most important biological...
Maybe this will help a few folks here to see that the other side of the story deserves to be taken seriously. Here are some of the scientists who rejected shutting down all "non-essential" businesses, rejected mandatory universal masking, rejected closing elementary schools, and rejected mandatory universal vaccination during the COVID pandemic:
Dr. Martin Kulldorff, professor of medicine at Harvard University, a biostatistician, and epidemiologist with expertise in detecting and monitoring infectious disease outbreaks and vaccine safety evaluations.
Dr. Sunetra Gupta, professor at Oxford University, an epidemiologist with expertise in immunology, vaccine development, and mathematical modeling of infectious diseases.
Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, professor at Stanford University Medical School, a physician, epidemiologist, health economist, and public health policy expert focusing on infectious diseases and vulnerable populations.
Dr. Alexander Walker, principal at World Health Information Science Consultants, former Chair of Epidemiology, Harvard TH Chan School of Public Health, USA.
Dr. Andrius Kavaliunas, epidemiologist and assistant professor at Karolinska Institute, Sweden.
Dr. Angus Dalgleish, oncologist, infectious disease expert and professor, St. George’s Hospital Medical School, University of London, England.
Dr. Anthony J Brookes, professor of genetics, University of Leicester, England.
Dr. Annie Janvier, professor of pediatrics and clinical ethics, Université de Montréal and Sainte-Justine University Medical Centre, Canada.
Dr. Ariel Munitz, professor of clinical microbiology and immunology, Tel Aviv University, Israel.
Dr. Boris Kotchoubey, Institute for Medical Psychology, University of Tübingen, Germany.
Dr. Cody Meissner, professor of pediatrics, expert on vaccine development, efficacy, and safety. Tufts University School of Medicine, USA.
Dr. David Katz, physician and president, True Health Initiative, and founder of the Yale University Prevention Research Center, USA.
Dr. David Livermore, microbiologist, infectious disease epidemiologist and professor, University of East Anglia, England.
Dr. Eitan Friedman, professor of medicine, Tel-Aviv University, Israel.
Dr. Ellen Townsend, professor of psychology, head of the Self-Harm Research Group, University of Nottingham, England.
Dr. Eyal Shahar, physician, epidemiologist and professor (emeritus) of public health, University of Arizona, USA.
Dr. Florian Limbourg, physician and hypertension researcher, professor at Hannover Medical School, Germany.
Dr. Gabriela Gomes, mathematician studying infectious disease epidemiology, professor, University of Strathclyde, Scotland.
Dr. Gerhard Krönke, physician and professor of translational immunology, University of Erlangen-Nuremberg, Germany.
Dr. Gesine Weckmann, professor of health education and prevention, Europäische Fachhochschule, Rostock, Germany.
Dr. Günter Kampf, associate professor, Institute for Hygiene and Environmental Medicine, Greifswald University, Germany.
Dr. Helen Colhoun, professor of medical informatics and epidemiology, and public health physician, University of Edinburgh, Scotland.
Dr. Jonas Ludvigsson, pediatrician, epidemiologist and professor at Karolinska Institute and senior physician at Örebro University Hospital, Sweden.
Dr. Karol Sikora, physician, oncologist, and professor of medicine at the University of Buckingham, England.
Maybe this will help a few folks here to see that the other side of the story deserves to be taken seriously. Here are some of the scientists who rejected shutting down all "non-essential" businesses, rejected mandatory universal masking, rejected closing elementary schools, and rejected mandatory universal vaccination during the COVID pandemic:
Dr. Martin Kulldorff, professor of medicine at Harvard University, a biostatistician, and epidemiologist with expertise in detecting and monitoring infectious disease outbreaks and vaccine safety evaluations.
Dr. Sunetra Gupta, professor at Oxford University, an epidemiologist with expertise in immunology, vaccine development, and mathematical modeling of infectious diseases.
Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, professor at Stanford University Medical School, a physician, epidemiologist, health economist, and public health policy expert focusing on infectious diseases and vulnerable populations.
Dr. Alexander Walker, principal at World Health Information Science Consultants, former Chair of Epidemiology, Harvard TH Chan School of Public Health, USA.
Dr. Andrius Kavaliunas, epidemiologist and assistant professor at Karolinska Institute, Sweden.
Dr. Angus Dalgleish, oncologist, infectious disease expert and professor, St. George’s Hospital Medical School, University of London, England.
Dr. Anthony J Brookes, professor of genetics, University of Leicester, England.
Dr. Annie Janvier, professor of pediatrics and clinical ethics, Université de Montréal and Sainte-Justine University Medical Centre, Canada.
Dr. Ariel Munitz, professor of clinical microbiology and immunology, Tel Aviv University, Israel.
Dr. Boris Kotchoubey, Institute for Medical Psychology, University of Tübingen, Germany.
Dr. Cody Meissner, professor of pediatrics, expert on vaccine development, efficacy, and safety. Tufts University School of Medicine, USA.
Dr. David Katz, physician and president, True Health Initiative, and founder of the Yale University Prevention Research Center, USA.
Dr. David Livermore, microbiologist, infectious disease epidemiologist and professor, University of East Anglia, England.
Dr. Eitan Friedman, professor of medicine, Tel-Aviv University, Israel.
Dr. Ellen Townsend, professor of psychology, head of the Self-Harm Research Group, University of Nottingham, England.
Dr. Eyal Shahar, physician, epidemiologist and professor (emeritus) of public health, University of Arizona, USA.
Dr. Florian Limbourg, physician and hypertension researcher, professor at Hannover Medical School, Germany.
Dr. Gabriela Gomes, mathematician studying infectious disease epidemiology, professor, University of Strathclyde, Scotland.
Dr. Gerhard Krönke, physician and professor of translational immunology, University of Erlangen-Nuremberg, Germany.
Dr. Gesine Weckmann, professor of health education and prevention, Europäische Fachhochschule, Rostock, Germany.
Dr. Günter Kampf, associate professor, Institute for Hygiene and Environmental Medicine, Greifswald University, Germany.
Dr. Helen Colhoun, professor of medical informatics and epidemiology, and public health physician, University of Edinburgh, Scotland.
Dr. Jonas Ludvigsson, pediatrician, epidemiologist and professor at Karolinska Institute and senior physician at Örebro University Hospital, Sweden.
Dr. Karol Sikora, physician, oncologist, and professor of medicine at the University of Buckingham, England.
Not to stray too far from the thread, but the GB declaration was based on the now proven false idea that herd immunity would occur, that once people had been infected by SARS-CoV-2 then lasting immunity would occur. We now know the assumptions these people made are wrong. They were well meaning, if their assumption about herd immunity occurring had been correct then they would have been correct. Their starting assumption was wrong, so their recommendations were wrong. Also many advocated hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin as preventative and curative treatment, treatments we now know are ineffective.
Even great people can be wrong, I actually know a couple. But they were wrong in their starting assumptions. They were and remain a minority.
For infection preventionists and frontline healthcare workers, the Great Barrington Declaration places their lives and livelihood at risk. A field hospital has been activated in Wisconsin and the state is at risk of running out of hospital beds and trained staff.
Thousands of medical practitioners and public health scientists have signed a declaration arguing for an alternative public health approach to dealing with covid-19. The Great Barrington Declaration,1 published on Monday 5 October, was drawn up by three epidemiologists and public health experts...
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