Hello dear and valuable teacher. I really enjoyed reading your message. You reminded me of shocking things. thank you very much. I really did not understand what Dear Pixel meant. I thought they were talking about a causal relationship. And the "circular thinking" that he said, I took the sequence in philosophy. In philosophy, we have the issue of sequence. And in relation to the causality of the sequence is rejected. let's move on. I will not continue this issue anymore. So the circular thinking that Dear Pixel said was meant to be circular thinking to repeat my mistakes. I'm really sorry. I did not understand this reminder instead of them.
You are completely right. I have poor scientific knowledge. I can not correctly state the scientific content of the Qur'an. On the other hand, you are really my teacher scientifically. I really enjoy talking to you. I kiss your face. And the arms of a 5-year-old child inside me are open to learn from you. Tell me. Are these Quranic verses and their scientific contents false? Explain to me. You tell me the main point of his science. I'm ready. My whole being is ready to listen and learn from you. here you are.
I really ask you to help me teach me all the scientific sciences of the Qur'an that I have told you so far. Every single thing I have told you about the Qur'an. And he claims that it is scientific for you to tell the truth. I do not want superstitions and lies. Tell me the essence of the scientific material mentioned in the Qur'an that he claimed. I'm really looking forward to hearing from you. I'm serious. I am ready to learn from you. I accept you. You are my benefactor. I love you all. Tell me the scientific fact of the claims of the Qur'an and God. My mind is tired. But I am always eager to learn science.
Take this message really seriously. I look forward to learning from you. Please clarify my mind again. Please.
Thank you very much.
Those are pretty words, heydarian, and pretty sentiments, all delivered with an admirably gracious air, and a very admirable reciprocation of asperity with apparent sincerity and humility. It’s exactly the kind of thing that had gotten me to take your side earlier upthread, more than once, and to keep on giving you the benefit of the doubt. But I’m afraid there’s little place for further doubt now, given how this train wreck of a thread has evolved.
You claim, with a beautifully sincere air, that you want to learn from me, from us. And yet all of this huge thread is full of people trying to get you to do just that. In response to which you invariably ignore every single criticism or clarification pointed out to you; or else you twist the words of people to misrepresent them; and then go back to your wild unsupported random preaching.
If you’re serious about wanting to learn, just take at random any two or three consecutive pages of this thread, and honestly and sincerely deal with what people are telling you there. Or else pick any individual poster here --- IanS, for instance, who keeps on spending his time and energy trying to respond to you factually (or Pixel42 for that matter, or just about any of the posters who’ve been contributing substantially here) --- and try to address their recent posts off of the last few pages.
Your talk about wanting to learn things is very sincere-sounding, and very pretty, but I’m afraid your walk doesn’t match it. If you really wish to learn, then what’s stopping you? This huge thread here is full of comments addressing exactly what you’re asking for. You can engage with that whole mass of them, or smaller portions if you wish, any time you want to.
I just read the site you introduced. He is absolutely right. And sequencing in philosophy is a kind of begging. And it is completely rejected. In fact, we have a common understanding with you in this case. Of course, you meant circular thinking in your previous two messages, in fact, my circular mistakes. That I did not realize. And with the message of my dear friend Chanakya, my mind was clarified. Thank you both very much.
I mean, you can't ask for more gracious than that, can you now?! Cheers, heydarian.
Incidentally, I've no clue about the etymology of that term, but I don't think actual literal "begging" has anything to do with that term. Not that that linguistic issue has anything to do with anything, but still.
Good on you to finally, finally,
finally grasp the elementary point that Pixel42 has been so patiently trying to explain to you across so many posts.
So then, do you understand the implications of this exchange of yours with Pixel42? You claimed that evolution is purposeful, as part of your larger claim that evolution has been described/preempted in your Quran --- and that latter, in turn, was part of your central claim that the Quran has preempted a great many scientific discoveries, and that the Quran is divinely inspired and inerrant. Pixel42 challenged you to explain just how it is you conclude that evolution is purposeful, and dissected your responses to show you that your reasoning was circular, and therefore fallacious. As such, that argument of yours fails. Following on that, your views on evolution are shown to be erroneous.
Are you able to clearly acknowledge the above? That that specific argument of yours has been shown to be wrong by Pixel42, and also that that clearly damages your larger argument as well?
And that is how it's been with practically every claim you've made here. Like I said, if you really want to, then, instead of asking for people to keep posting explanations for you, that you then go on to ignore or to misrepresent, you could instead go back and sincerely engage with the posts already made. A great many factual and very painstakingly presented explanations have been posted by people like IanS, as well as by many others, including Pixel42. That you've chosen not to sincerely engage with any of these posts made for your benefit, is something that has stood out in this thread. Why you did that isn't clear, and we've had no option but to see this as disingenuousness. You're free to rectify that, and go back and engage with those posts, any time you want.
